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NY: Couple of Buffalo Area Corrections
« on: December 26, 2019, 04:30:38 pm »
On US 62, CR137 should probably be changed to RidRd.  Erie County no longer signs their routes and signage is becoming sparse.  Looks like there are at least a couple more points like it further north.

The points for the southern end of the NY 240/NY 277 overlap should be moved slightly south to New Armour Road.
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Re: NY: Couple of Buffalo Area Corrections
« Reply #1 on: December 28, 2019, 10:33:41 pm »
CRs in Erie County should not be used in general. A whopping 5 CRs are signed and only a couple of those signs are at US/state routes. That being said, the CR 580 point (and ONLY that point) along US 62 could remain, as CR 580 is signed, but signage is so poor that I would use "EliCrkRd" instead.

Piling onto this topic:
-NY 78, NY 240 and NY 277 should probably have a point at Walden Avenue. This is a point for US 62 and NY 33 and Walden Avenue is the main access between NY 240/277 and I-90 (Walden has an exit, NY 130 does not). It should be noted that Walden Avenue is an unsigned state highway and is more of a major road in the area than parallel sections of NY 130 and NY 33.
-NY 277 should get a point at William Street due to the I-90 access. This is a point along parallel NY 240.
-NY 266 should get a point at Vulcan Street for I-190 NB Exit 14, which currently has no point along NY 266. I-190(14) is the southbound exit, which is nearly a mile away.

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Re: NY: Couple of Buffalo Area Corrections
« Reply #2 on: December 29, 2019, 01:54:50 pm »
On US 62, CR137 should probably be changed to RidRd.  Erie County no longer signs their routes and signage is becoming sparse.
Changed in my local file.

Looks like there are at least a couple more points like it further north.
What else did you see? I presume just CR580, CR299 and/or CR89 on US62, and nothing on any other routes?

The points for the southern end of the NY 240/NY 277 overlap should be moved slightly south to New Armour Road.
Looking at HistoricAerials, this looks like it's been the main routing since at least 1995.
I bet NY240 was realigned when New Armor Duells Rd was built, to connect with the US219 freeway. The bridge at the interchange was built in 1977.
Debating whether to...
• Call it a newsworthy update, make an updates entry, and include "pivot waypoints" at either end of Ellicott Rd; or...
• Just call it a non-newsworthy error in our plotting; say that a point at New Armour Duells Rd was what was intended, and moving the point would just better represent this intent.
I imagine that most travelers here have traveled the actual current signed route.
cl94 dougtone roadgeek_adam vespertine
cl94, is my assumption correct in your case?
A realignment in 1977 would be before I was born; dougtone & roadgeek_adam I believe are both younger than me. Dunno about vespertine.

CRs in Erie County should not be used in general. A whopping 5 CRs are signed and only a couple of those signs are at US/state routes. That being said, the CR 580 point (and ONLY that point) along US 62 could remain, as CR 580 is signed, but signage is so poor that I would use "EliCrkRd" instead.
Hoo boy, it's shell script time! Mumble mumble...
for line in `egrep '^CR[0-9]+' */*.wpt | tr ' ' '%'`; do
  lat=`echo $line | cut -f2 -d= | cut -f1 -d'&'`
  lon=`echo $line | cut -f3 -d=`
  if [[ `echo "$lat > 42.427 && $lat < 43.112 && $lon < -78.447" | bc` = 1 ]]; then
    echo $line | tr '%' ' '
  fi
done


usaus/ny.us062.wpt:CR580 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.024284&lon=-78.822165
usaus/ny.us062.wpt:CR299 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.036045&lon=-78.823136
usaus/ny.us062.wpt:CR89 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.093836&lon=-79.010797

Changed to EllCreRd, RobRd & PacRd respectively.

Piling onto this topic:
-NY 78, NY 240 and NY 277 should probably have a point at Walden Avenue. This is a point for US 62 and NY 33 and Walden Avenue is the main access between NY 240/277 and I-90 (Walden has an exit, NY 130 does not). It should be noted that Walden Avenue is an unsigned state highway and is more of a major road in the area than parallel sections of NY 130 and NY 33.
Added.

-NY 277 should get a point at William Street due to the I-90 access. This is a point along parallel NY 240.
Added, also on US62.

-NY 266 should get a point at Vulcan Street for I-190 NB Exit 14, which currently has no point along NY 266. I-190(14) is the southbound exit, which is nearly a mile away.
Vulcan St makes less sense to me than at the I-190 connection itself. May take a little tweaking of the existing I-190@14A point to get the nicest-looking graph/mapview. Similarly, a graph connection with I-190@14B may be warranted, even though 1PPI + SB connections only would = one point at NY325, where we currently have it. (It'd make the graph better for Jim's students if nothing else...) Maybe do a VISIBLE_HIDDEN_COLOC FP?
OK, here's what I'm working with: NY266 point I-190(14A) added at aforementioned coords. Went no-build on the coords on I-190 itself, but did add a shaping point to clarify the mapview, a relative rarity for me. On NY26, NY325 relabeled I-190/325 +NY325 with a VISIBLE_HIDDEN_COLOC graph connection at +x190(14B).
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Re: NY: Couple of Buffalo Area Corrections
« Reply #3 on: January 04, 2020, 05:22:25 pm »
Looks like there are at least a couple more points like it further north.
What else did you see? I presume just CR580, CR299 and/or CR89 on US62, and nothing on any other routes?
I think so; I don't remember anything on the nearby routes.
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Re: NY: Couple of Buffalo Area Corrections
« Reply #4 on: January 04, 2020, 11:56:02 pm »
I don't think anybody on here who has traveled NY 240 has NOT used the current alignment. I want to say that alignment opened late 70s-early 80s, and yes, that would be with the US 219 expressway. New Armor Duells Road was constructed with the expressway. I don't think it's worth calling it "newsworthy", because anyone who has not used the current alignment probably hasn't been on the road in 40 years.

If Doug and Adam are younger than you, I am DEFINITELY younger than you, as I am younger than Adam by a few years and Doug by nearly 15.

Re: other CRs, I don't remember any others and I'm not finding others at a quick glance.

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Re: NY: Couple of Buffalo Area Corrections
« Reply #5 on: January 05, 2020, 01:49:03 am »
Sounds good to me. I've removed the EllRd points and the awkward updates entry. Writing this off as a non-newsworthy minor correction to what we intended to have here all along.
CRs should be good; the shell script was designed to flag every '^CR[0-9]+' label within Erie County.
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3509
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