Travel Mapping
Highway Data Discussion => Updates to Highway Data => Topic started by: SSOWorld on April 09, 2024, 07:35:56 pm
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During my trip I field checked the area around where I-2 and US 83 was being extended. No, I-2 isn’t signed beyond where it is marked now, but I found a “SPUR 83”; signed; where US-83 was between where it veered right and Business US 83. Following the old route. From where the bypass opened.
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https://publicdocs.txdot.gov/minord/MinuteOrderDocLib/114383.pdf
This was designated as US 83 Spur back in 2015.
There was some AASHTO funny business back in spring 2016 (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=213); if I wanna look that up again and remind myself of the full story, where's the best place to go for AASHTO info these days?
Regardless, AASHTO isn't the be-all-end-all for TM purposes. The state calls it US83Spr, so that's what it is.
Back when I moved US83 onto the bypass, it appeared (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.2408359,-98.4240907,3a,15y,318.49h,89.66t/data=!3m10!1e1!3m8!1sSQZlvhfMpAt1ANmFjvNdlw!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fpanoid%3DSQZlvhfMpAt1ANmFjvNdlw%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D311.50934%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i40?coh=205409&entry=ttu) to be unsigned, so I left it out.
It appears TXDOT has been updating signage in the area. Hopefully they've fixed this monstrosity (https://www.google.com/maps/@26.2421746,-98.4332219,3a,34.3y,44.74h,89.85t/data=!3m9!1e1!3m7!1seI7R7lWNZ7vRzTbMTwZ-eg!2e0!7i16384!8i8192!9m2!1b1!2i40?coh=205409&entry=ttu).
From the way the OP is worded, it sounds like they still don't have it quite right, and it's mistakenly signed as as State Highway Spur, or a TXSpr in TM-speak.
Even though they're 2 separate systems on TM, from TXDOT's perspective Loops & Spurs are the same system, and numbers aren't duplicated between the two, with one exception where there's a "State Highway Loop and Spur" XXX (I forget the number) with the spur spurring off the loop. Obviously related. There is a TXLp83 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=tx.lp0083) in Caldwell, so this is surely not TXSpr83, but US83Spr, and we may be a dealing with a sign-o.
Can you fill me in more in what signage you saw where, how much, what style?
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Since the La Joya/Future I-2 bypass was completed earlier this year, the small section between US 83 Business and US 83/I-2 has been signed as Spur 83 as seen from April 2025 street view imagery. This is a former alignment of US 83 and it's less than a mile long.
(GSV imagery) (https://maps.app.goo.gl/JAeTTWYZ4sgwYp5P6)
~ Ethan
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Route has a single trailblazer going each direction.
WB (https://maps.app.goo.gl/8KMnJkNvgkaShckw7)
EB (https://maps.app.goo.gl/cYU6pvDrLMBfr4wr9)
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https://publicdocs.txdot.gov/minord/MinuteOrderDocLib/114383.pdf
This was designated as US 83 Spur back in 2015.
There was some AASHTO funny business back in spring 2016 (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=213); if I wanna look that up again and remind myself of the full story, where's the best place to go for AASHTO info these days?
Regardless, AASHTO isn't the be-all-end-all for TM purposes. The state calls it US83Spr, so that's what it is.
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Even though they're 2 separate systems on TM, from TXDOT's perspective Loops & Spurs are the same system, and numbers aren't duplicated between the two, with one exception where there's a "State Highway Loop and Spur" XXX (I forget the number) with the spur spurring off the loop. Obviously related. There is a TXLp83 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=tx.lp0083) in Caldwell, so this is surely not TXSpr83, but US83Spr, and we may be a dealing with a sign-o.
Can you fill me in more in what signage you saw where, how much, what style?
I didn't realize that a thread already existed for this, but as you mentioned with TXLp19 (Montague County) and TXLp108 (Port Bolivar, Galveston County) which both have spur routes, they're in the system as spur routes but are basically loop spurs (if that makes any sense). Similar to FM and RM spur routes which just use the same shield as the rest of the spur routes in Texas (for example, TXSpr3 in Corpus Christi and TXFMSpr3 in Normangee / Leon County). There's two spur routes that directly tie to US Routes in Texas (US 277 Spur in Del Rio and US 281 Spur in Hidalgo), both of which are designated with a SPUR shield (rather than a SPUR banner followed by a US Route shield below it). TXSpr277 already exists in Coupland (Williamson County).
Admittedly I didn't know that TXDOT designated US spur routes that way, even though I knew they designated FM/RM spur routes that way. If it were me, I'd call it US83Spr. I made my initial post (before it was merged with this thread) not knowing that TXDOT did it that way.