Travel Mapping
Railway Data Discussion => In-progress Railway Systems & Work => Topic started by: michih on October 03, 2024, 11:51:13 am
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Some comments since I'm in Napoli today.
https://tmrail.teresco.org/user/mapview.php?rg=ITA-CAM
- Extensions of metro lines 1 and 11 to the airport are still u/c but already in RB (fine for me as long the system is still in preview). I don't know when it will be opened. Latest info is "end of 2026" for line 1 (source (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Linea_1_(metropolitana_di_Napoli)#Prolungamenti_futuri)).
- Tram lines 1, 2 and 4 are temporarily (since September 2023) circular lines 412 and 421 now (source (https://www.webnapoli24.com/anm-linee-tram-1-4-412-421-tratta/)). I don't know what temporarily means. It was still in force today. Of course, the actual line numbers are indicated at the tram stops e.g. here (https://maps.app.goo.gl/vr4WJodpAwh5NVLy5).
- There is a "Ferrovie flegree line 3" in RB (https://tmrail.teresco.org/hb/showroute.php?r=itacam.03nap). I don't get what it is. An old route? A future route? The "ÖPNV" tile does not show anything. The OSM tile shows something near the university. Is the broken concurrency with line 2 (Mos to ZooEde) intended? Since both routes are green, I guess they should use the same track here?
Wikipedia (https://it.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferrovia_Napoli-Centro_Direzionale-San_Giorgio) has an article for a Ferrovia line 3 but with a different location (rathter in the east of Napoli than in the west) - Furnicular A is actually "Funicolare Centrale" (Augusteo - Piazza Fuga)
Furnicular B is actually "Funicolare di Chiaia" (Parco Margherita -Cimarosa)
Furnicular C is actually "Funicolare di Montesanto" (Montesanto -Morghen)
Furnicular D is actually "Funicolare di Mergellina" (Mergellina - Manzoni)
I've only seen A-D on the ÖPNV tile. I traveled "Centrale". That name is signed anywhere.
https://www.anm.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=73&Itemid=100 - Just for the records (I already mentioned it in any rules thread long ago):
I don't like how we applied the "one-point-per-interchange" approach for rail systems. I still think that we should only implement it within a system but not try to "find" the next station of a higher tier station.
The funicular lines (yellow) are extended albeit they are "far away" and have totally different station names. Very odd is the westernmost route. There are two stops (bordered in green). Why have we moved the last stop to the metro station? The second last stop would be closer....
Or look at the tram line in the east. Again, far away and different name.
(https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?action=dlattach;topic=6496.0;attach=765)
I have not checked all routes...
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"one-point-per-interchange", arguably, It's a tram stop, (tap-off), walk to train station, (new ticket), train station. More akin to freeway-local road-arterial imho.
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I don't like how we applied the "one-point-per-interchange" approach for rail systems.
The ones here are me over-doing it, because I'd found nonsense NMPs that you had created breaking interchanges for no reason (There was definitely one in Warsaw, where the exit from the metro is on the tram platforms (https://www.google.com/maps/@52.2929704,21.0276185,3a,60.9y,186.01h,88.74t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s02l7XbAo7879ka24SZIyhQ!2e0!7i16384!8i8192?coh=205409&entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTAwMi4xIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D) but my 1ppi had been undone by you when you had a look at your travels. I reunited the points when +DIV/+SKIPing the network) and was annoyed at such nonsense.
3 is a past and future line, and like 1 and 11, is under-construction and I, when drafting it, expected it to be years before the rail site was going to happen.
I'll remove the U/C stuff as well as deal with overzealous 1ppiing.
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- Furnicular A is actually "Funicolare Centrale" (Augusteo - Piazza Fuga)
Furnicular B is actually "Funicolare di Chiaia" (Parco Margherita -Cimarosa)
Furnicular C is actually "Funicolare di Montesanto" (Montesanto -Morghen)
Furnicular D is actually "Funicolare di Mergellina" (Mergellina - Manzoni)
I've only seen A-D on the ÖPNV tile. I traveled "Centrale". That name is signed anywhere.
https://www.anm.it/index.php?option=com_content&task=view&id=73&Itemid=100
The names of all the Neapolitan lines (not just the funiculars) are already in the browser: https://tmrail.teresco.org/hb/index.php?units=miles&sys=null&rg=ITA-CAM
The ANM use the letters on full-network maps: https://www.anm.it/images/stories/2204_anm_mappa_web.pdf
The EAV too: https://www.eavsrl.it/download/rete-ferroviaria-regionale/?wpdmdl=2094&refresh=6701174d097401728124749
It's part of the integration of all the disparate railways into one network and it's still ongoing, I guess.
Looking into the trams, it seems that it's basically a clockwise and an anticlockwise around the Ʇ-shaped network, rather than the ⅃, L and _ lines that . They use a combination of the same numbers, and it's temporary, so I'm going to keep the linear lines rather than the circles that serve every stop twice as that is really messy in the browser.- 1 = north <-> west
- 2 = north <-> east
- 4 = west <-> east
- 412 = east -> north -> west -> east
- 421 = east -> west -> north -> east
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Fine for me! Thanks :)