Travel Mapping

Highway Data Discussion => Updates to Highway Data => Topic started by: neroute2 on December 29, 2024, 09:01:07 pm

Title: TN 137 is signed
Post by: neroute2 on December 29, 2024, 09:01:07 pm
https://www.google.com/maps/@36.555942,-82.5818451,3a,15.2y,46.66h,93.48t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1saE_ApD97zDL2oOEJ_pmvjQ!2e0!6shttps:%2F%2Fstreetviewpixels-pa.googleapis.com%2Fv1%2Fthumbnail%3Fcb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile%26w%3D900%26h%3D600%26pitch%3D-3.480745463048322%26panoid%3DaE_ApD97zDL2oOEJ_pmvjQ%26yaw%3D46.659138934910374!7i16384!8i8192?entry=ttu&g_ep=EgoyMDI0MTIxMS4wIKXMDSoASAFQAw%3D%3D
Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 30, 2024, 02:58:31 am
Seems that sign has been there since at least May '18 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/FZAML18Tb3TBMNkZ7).

There was 'also' an END sign put up around the same time (https://maps.app.goo.gl/76aoboiQCtEhmBF98).  However, it got mowed down by Dec '21 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/GNPQaUBka1meax4q6), and wasn't put back up, as it seems to still be there on the ground in March '24 GSV, with the I-26 shield now joining it (https://maps.app.goo.gl/ZpJo9uQLWs57sVns9).
Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: mapcat on December 30, 2024, 04:01:41 pm
Wild. https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/8042
Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: neroute2 on December 31, 2024, 09:55:06 am
I assume the north end is at TN36/346, since it was the designation for the new freeway (and 36 continues to the state line on US 23).
Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 31, 2024, 10:00:03 am
I assume the north end is at TN36/346, since it was the designation for the new freeway (and 36 continues to the state line on US 23).

Nope, 137 gets to the state line.  Here's the 3 MM right before the border (https://maps.app.goo.gl/vXz8ku4jGiQxZfAb8).
Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: mapcat on December 31, 2024, 10:19:36 am
I assume the north end is at TN36/346, since it was the designation for the new freeway (and 36 continues to the state line on US 23).

Nope, 137 gets to the state line.  Here's the 3 MM right before the border (https://maps.app.goo.gl/vXz8ku4jGiQxZfAb8).

Since it's concurrent with US 23, it seemed logical to extend it to the border along with that route.
Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: neroute2 on December 31, 2024, 11:26:58 am
I assume the north end is at TN36/346, since it was the designation for the new freeway (and 36 continues to the state line on US 23).

Nope, 137 gets to the state line.  Here's the 3 MM right before the border (https://maps.app.goo.gl/vXz8ku4jGiQxZfAb8).
But 1PPI puts the end of the freeway south of the border. Otherwise our TN36 file would extend to the border.
Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: mapcat on December 31, 2024, 01:07:15 pm
The segment between the 36/346 intersection and the state line functions as a set of ramps.
Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: neroute2 on December 31, 2024, 01:27:28 pm
The segment between the 36/346 intersection and the state line functions as a set of ramps.
If we're mapping it that way, 137 should end where the ramps begin. If we're taking 137 to the state line, it's not ramps and should be separate from 36 between 346 and the state line.
Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: mapcat on December 31, 2024, 03:34:28 pm
If we're mapping it that way, 137 should end where the ramps begin. If we're taking 137 to the state line, it's not ramps and should be separate from 36 between 346 and the state line.
137 is concurrent with 23. 36 is not, so 137 is already separate from 36. If the ramps were outside the freeway lanes, as they are south of the interchange, this wouldn't seem unusual.
Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: neroute2 on December 31, 2024, 05:07:51 pm
The ramps are US 23.
Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: rickmastfan67 on December 31, 2024, 08:45:11 pm
The ramps are US 23.

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137 is concurrent with 23. 36 is not
Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: neroute2 on January 01, 2025, 12:33:02 am
And since they're ramps they're not separately mapped. The intersection of 36 and 137 according to our 1PP1 rule s well south of the state line, so north of there is 36.
Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: rickmastfan67 on January 01, 2025, 06:36:10 am
But US-23 isn't ramps officially.
Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: neroute2 on January 01, 2025, 09:40:25 am
But US-23 isn't ramps officially.
And 36 is north of 346?
Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: mapcat on January 01, 2025, 01:02:14 pm
But US-23 isn't ramps officially.
And 36 is north of 346?
What you're calling 36 is what I'm calling the ramps connecting 36/346 to 23 (and concurrent 137). Users who want to map their travel from the 36/346 junction north to Virginia would add the segment of 23 and/or 137 to their files.
Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: neroute2 on January 01, 2025, 01:47:25 pm
But US-23 isn't ramps officially.
And 36 is north of 346?
What you're calling 36 is what I'm calling the ramps connecting 36/346 to 23 (and concurrent 137). Users who want to map their travel from the 36/346 junction north to Virginia would add the segment of 23 and/or 137 to their files.
I'm asking if that part of 36 is officially ramps. If not, the official status of 137 doesn't matter because we're not following official ramp status.

Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: neroute2 on January 01, 2025, 01:56:37 pm
Time to clear it up. According to TDOT (https://tdot.maps.arcgis.com/apps/dashboards/0901655139694144a16f7812a52b4f36), 36 and 137 are both non-ramps to the state line. In addition, the northernmost 0.04 mi of 36 is US 23.
(http://i.imgur.com/N5MMArG.png)
Title: Re: TN 137 is signed
Post by: mapcat on January 01, 2025, 03:57:55 pm
TDOT is not calling that segment ramps. I am.