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Highway Data Discussion => In-progress Highway Systems & Work => Completed Highway Systems Threads => Topic started by: michih on December 26, 2016, 03:14:56 am

Title: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: michih on December 26, 2016, 03:14:56 am
Both systems are ready for review.

http://tm.teresco.org/hb/index.php?sys=czei (tier 4)
http://tm.teresco.org/hb/index.php?sys=czeii (tier 5)

Sources and notes:
- https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/hwy_data/CZE/czei/README.md
- https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/hwy_data/CZE/czeii/README.md

Any feedback is welcomed.
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on June 13, 2017, 07:17:13 am
I/2 - PodBar - is this not II/333? (It's definitely a weird end - downgraded for D0 prematurely)
I/3 - fine (assuming D3 hasn't extended south one junction)
I/3Ben - fine
I/4 - fine
I/4Mil - fine
I/4Zbr - fine
I/6 - needs to be split by the D6 (Bosov)
I/6Che - fine
I/7 - fine
I/7Cho - fine
I/8 - fine
I/8Bre - does this extend further into Praha?
I/9 - fine
I/10 - fine
I/11 - fine
I/12 - fine
I/13 - fine
I/14 - I/11 is east-west, not north-south
I/14Lib - fine
I/15 - fine
I/16 - fine
I/17 - fine
I/18 - fine
I/19 - fine
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on June 13, 2017, 07:42:32 am
I/20 - I34_E -> I34_W; I34_S -> I34_E
I/21 - fine
I/22 - fine
I/23 - II112_N -> II112/406
I/24 - fine
I/25 - fine
I/26 - D5_Ejp -> D5(67); D5_PlzW -> D5(89)
I/27 - fine
I/28 - fine
I/29 - fine
I/30 - concurrency with E442 broken at II613_E
I/31 - fine
I/32 - fine
I/33 - fine
I/34 - I20_W -> I20_E (also check E road routes between this point and I/3)
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on June 13, 2017, 08:29:10 am
I/35 - Kos -> 22 (also on E442). I14 -> 23, CesMla -> 24
I/35olo - fine
I/35val - fine
I/36 - fine
I/37 - fine
I/37tru - fine
I/38 - fine
I/39 - fine
I/40 - fine
I/41 - fine
I/42 - fine
I/43 - fine
I/44 - fine
I/45 - fine
I/46 - fine
I/47 - fine
I/47kro - fine
I/48 - split into 3 parts separated by D48
I/49 - fine
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on June 13, 2017, 09:49:03 am
I/50 - fine
I/51 - fine
I/52 - fine
I/52Brn - fine
I/53 - fine
I/54 - fine
I/55 - fine
I/56 - split in two either side of D56
I/57 - fine
I/58 - fine
I/59 - fine
I/60 - fine
I/61 - fine
I/62 - fine
I/63 - fine
I/64 - fine
I/65 - fine
I/66 - fine
I/67 - D1_Boh -> D1(370); D1_BohE -> D1(372)
I/68 - fine
I/69 - fine
I/70 - fine
I/71 - fine

other than a few minor label changes, and a couple of splitting routes where concurrent with same-numbered D roads, czei is ready for activation
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: michih on June 14, 2017, 01:23:53 pm
Thanks for the review :)

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I/2 - PodBar - is this not II/333? (It's definitely a weird end - downgraded for D0 prematurely)

I/2 ends there because there's the Prague city limit. II/333 is not signed.

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I/3 - fine (assuming D3 hasn't extended south one junction)

I've changed D3 wp to D3(104) to avoid trouble when the next D3 section will be opened this fall.
I've also checked other routes for situations like this.

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I/8Bre - does this extend further into Praha?

No, it isn't. I've checked it when I've added the eursf routes.

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I/34 - I20_W -> I20_E (also check E road routes between this point and I/3)

Yes, E49 is signed via I34 now, not I20/I3.

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I/35 - Kos -> 22 (also on E442). I14 -> 23, CesMla -> 24

What's your source? I couldn't find numbers on GSV. Only OSM indicates them but OSM also indicates 25 for 26, 29 for 31, 31 for 33 et cetera. Our wp labels are correct according to GSV though.
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: michih on June 15, 2017, 04:42:54 pm
What's your source?

I guess it was OSM and I can go ahead and activate the system?

Was it intended to keep the Dx_Abc labels I've removed additionally to your suggestions or have you just not seen them? Unfortunately, I made this sh** quite often in the past, see Switzerland...
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on June 16, 2017, 03:57:44 am
What's your source?

I guess it was OSM and I can go ahead and activate the system?
Yep. Cleared for takeoff.
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Was it intended to keep the Dx_Abc labels I've removed additionally to your suggestions or have you just not seen them?
A bit of not seeing them, a bit of "well I've listed enough for this message to be received".

WRT Switzerland, that label format seems to be most of my issues - I'll just take any of those issues as read when listing changes to be made in that thread.
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: michih on June 17, 2017, 09:14:11 am
The tier 4 system (czei) is active now. The tier 5 system (czeii) is still in preview.
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on May 19, 2018, 11:19:42 am
II101 - OSM suggests a full circle
II102 - fine
II103 - fine
II104 - fine
II105 - fine
II106 - fine
II107 - fine
II108 - fine
II109 - fine
II110 - fine
II111 - fine
II112 - II407  n-s rather than e-w?
II113 - fine
II114 - fine
II115 - II101 -> II101_W
II116 - fine
II117 - I20_W -> I20_N; I20_E -> I20_S
II118 - fine
II118Pri - I4 -> D4; II102_E -> II102_N; II102_W -> II102_S
II119 - fine
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on May 19, 2018, 02:24:03 pm
II120 - fine
II121 - fine
II121Bla - fine
II122 - fine
II123 - I19_N -> I19_E; I19_S -> I19_W
II124 - fine
II125 - fine
II126 - II339_StiE -> II339_E; II339_StiW -> II339_W
II127 - fine
II128 - fine
II129 - fine
II130 - fine
II131 - fine
II132 - fine
II133 - fine
II134 - fine
II135 - fine
II136 - fine
II137 - fine
II138 - fine
II139 - fine
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on November 12, 2018, 09:03:20 am
II140 - fine
II141 - II138_W -> II138_N, II138_E -> II138_S
II142 - fine
II143 - fine
II144 - fine
II145 - III14543 in wrong place (new bypass?)
II146 - fine
II147 - fine
II147Ves - fine
II148 - fine
II149 - fine
II150 - check route at Prostejov
II150Led - fine
II151 - fine
II152 - add point in Moravske Budejovice
II153 - fine
II154 - fine
II155 - fine
II156 - Check route in Budwies
II157 - II155_S -> II155_E; II155_N -> II155_W. Check route in Budwies
II158 - fine
II159 - II135 points should have directional suffixes?; concurrency with II603, rather than single point
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: michih on November 12, 2018, 01:45:16 pm
THANKS :)

II150 - check route at Prostejov

It's exactly like indicated on the RSD map (https://www.rsd.cz/wps/wcm/connect/c627e870-3aa0-4636-924c-323ddd3a6f4a/2018_7_cr_500vrst.jpg?MOD=AJPERES) (July 2018 version but also March 2016). I remember that I tried to find any sign on GSV but wasn't sucessful in 2016. I have generally not mapped "H" routes like II150H. I think they are not signed at all.

II156 - Check route in Budwies

Route split. And the German name is Budweis :)

II157 - Check route in Budwies

What a mess...

II159 - concurrency with II603, rather than single point

You can see on "Mapbox Satellite" that it was realigned.
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on November 21, 2018, 08:16:53 am
II160 - fine
II161 - fine
II162 - II163 point seems to be in middle of square that doesn't function like that
II163 - II162 point seems to be in middle of square that doesn't function like that
II164 - fine
II165 - fine
II166 - fine
II167 - I can't see evidence of that concurrency with II169
II168 - relabel II168/169?
II169 - relabel II167/168 and II167_E?
II170 - fine
II171 - fine
II172 - fine
II173 - has the I4 point moved with the construction of the I22 bypass?
II174 - fine
II175 - fine
II176 - fine
II177 - fine
II178 - fine
II180 - fine
II181 - II210 point location?
II182 - fine
II183 - fine
II184 - fine
II184Kdy - fine
II185 - does this reach I26?
II186 - fine
II187 - fine
II188 - fine
II189 - fine
II190 - fine
II191 - I22_N -> I22_W
II191Roz - fine
II192 - fine
II193 - fine
II194 - point for II606 (which this section doesn't exist in browser)?
II195 - fine
II196 - fine
II197 - fine
II198 - fine
II198Tou - fine
II199 - fine
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on November 21, 2018, 09:12:03 am
II501 - fine
II501Lib - fine
II502 - fine
II503 - fine
II508 - fine
II522 - fine
II523 - II602_S -> II602_W, II602_N -> II602_E
II528 - fine
II567 - point for III5672?
II568 - Dro -> II607
II570 - fine
II592 - fine
II599 - fine
II601 - OSM showing this for the main route around eastern Prague
II602 - fine
II603 - II135 has a concurrency with this route. II147_N -> II147. II147_S -> III14713, this route is concurrent with I24 and ends at D3's I3_Bos point
II603Kam - II109_W -> II109_E
II603Sev - I3_Sev needs moving (and in I3 file)
II604 - fine
II605 - west end at D5 not I26, II115_S -> II116_S, does this extend into Prague?
II605Str - fine
II606 - extends to II118 (which needs a point)
II606Che - fine
II606Kyn - fine
II607 - extend west to I13 (also OSM showing the link road off D7 exit 78 as being II607)
II608 - extend south into Prague
II608Vch - fine
II610 - fine
II610Mni - fine
II611 - fine
II613 - fine
II616 - fine
II634 - fine
II635 - fine
II639 - fine
II640 - extends southwest?
II644 - fine
II647 - point for II471_S
II648 - fine
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: michih on November 21, 2018, 02:15:04 pm
II185 - does this reach I26?

Not according to the RSD map (through route is "I26H") but minimum OSM is updated now and I've extended it

II194 - point for II606 (which this section doesn't exist in browser)?

When D6 was opened, I was not sure whether II606 is really signed or just an OSM bug. RSD map confirms it now.

II567 - point for III5672?

All "yellow" routes need a wp. Added :)

II607 - extend west to I13 (also OSM showing the link road off D7 exit 78 as being II607)

Should be I71 according to RSD map but I've extended II607 now

Data check is running, I'll submit all modifications II1xx and II5xx plus II607. I need to check II601+ next time.
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: michih on November 24, 2018, 07:59:23 am
II601 - OSM showing this for the main route around eastern Prague

It is not indicated on RSD map and it's not signed. I've checked it back in 2016 and now (GSV from June 2017). The same applies to other routes within city limits of Prague.

II603Sev - I3_Sev needs moving (and in I3 file)

I3 was realigned due to D3 construction but it's indicated II603 on OSM. I'd like to leave as-is till D3 will be opened (estimation is June 2019)

II605 - west end at D5 not I26, II115_S -> II116_S,

Not sure what you mean. Should I rename the label or extend II605 to D5 wp or add another D5 wp west of the existing one and extend II605 to this one?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.737447&lon=13.507948

does this extend into Prague?

see above. Not signed or indicated on RSD map within city limits of Prague but indicated on OSM

II608 - extend south into Prague

It's the same issue with city limit. Where should it end, here? http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.146032&lon=14.450473

II640 - extends southwest?

I think you mean south-southeast? It's indicated on OSM but not on RSD map nor GSV

II647 - point for II471_S

Point added but no evidence that it's II471 (RSD/GSV)
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on November 24, 2018, 03:18:32 pm
Not sure what you mean. Should I rename the label or extend II605 to D5 wp or add another D5 wp west of the existing one and extend II605 to this one?
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=49.737447&lon=13.507948
The II605 is signed, AFAICS, to the D5. Either that half-diamond / folded diamond / fork combo is one intersection, three intersections or perhaps 2 (up to you), but the II605 meets the D5 rather than stopping just short.
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on December 10, 2018, 06:03:11 am
II200 - fine
II201 - KarSka -> II606? this would be a new II606 through Hostivice
II202 - fine
II203 - fine
II204 - fine
II205 - fine
II206 - fine
II207 - fine
II208 - fine
II209 - fine
II210 - fine
II212 - fine
II213 - fine
II214 - fine
II217 - fine
II218 - fine
II219 - fine
II220 - fine
II221 - fine
II221Ost - fine
II222 - fine
II222Kar - fine
II223 - fine
II224 - fine
II225 - fine
II226 - fine
II227 - fine
II228 - fine
II229 - fine
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on December 10, 2018, 06:51:56 am
II230 - fine
II231 - point with II232 needs moving
II232 - point with II231 needs moving
II233 - fine
II234 - fine
II235 - fine
II236 - fine
II237 - fine
II238 - fine
II239 - fine
II240 - fine
II241 - fine
II242 - fine
II243 - fine
II244 - fine
II245 - fine
II246 - fine
II247 - fine
II248 - fine
II249 - fine
II250 - fine
II251 - fine
II252 - fine
II253 - fine
II254 - fine
II255 - fine
II256 - fine
II257 - fine
II258 - needs point for I63 / E442 at exit 7 (ditto those routes)
II259 - I9 point isn't on I9 due to bypass opening - rename
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on December 11, 2018, 03:17:09 am
II260 - move I9 (and that route)
II261 - fine
II262 - fine
II263 - fine
II264 - fine
II265 - fine
II266 - fine
II267 - fine
II268 - fine
II269 - fine
II270 - move I9 point
II271 - fine
II272 - fine
II273 - fine
II274 - fine
II275 - fine
II276 - fine
II277 - fine
II278 - fine
II279 - fine
II280 - fine
II281 - fine
II282 - fine
II283 - fine
II284 - fine
II285 - check I14 route around this road
II286 - fine
II287 - fine
II288 - fine
II289 - fine
II290 - would I10/I14_W and I10/I14_E be better as shorter suffixes of already-long labels?
II291 - fine
II292 - fine
II293 - fine
II294 - fine
II295 - fine
II296 - fine
II297 - fine
II298 - fine
II299 - fine
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: michih on December 16, 2018, 08:59:37 am
II201 - KarSka -> II606? this would be a new II606 through Hostivice

RSD map does not indicate II606 (still "unsigned" I6J) but it's confirmed by GSV July 2017: https://www.google.com/maps/@50.0770075,14.2974566,3a,75y,260.84h,82.51t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s14lgNxiKWOcMdvqmY1m9lA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

Done by II299
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on December 17, 2018, 05:05:05 am
II300 - fine
II300Zac - fine
II301 - fine
II302 - fine
II303 - fine
II304 - fine
II305 - fine
II306 - fine
II307 - fine
II308 - fine
II309 - fine
II310 - fine
II311 - fine
II312 - fine
II313 - fine
II314 - fine
II315 - fine
II316 - fine
II317 - fine
II318 - fine
II319 - fine
II320 - fine
II321 - DomSka is the end of a concurrency so needs a suffix; add point for where DomSka meets I14? After all, if you use the DomSka (which OSM marks as II321, presumably erroneously) point, you are highly unlikely not to use that road to the I14.
II322 - fine
II322Das - fine
II322Par - fine
II323 - fine
II324 - add point for D11
II325 - fine
II326 - fine
II327 - fine
II328 - fine
II329 - guessing OSM is wrong with the route at Planany
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on December 17, 2018, 05:42:16 am
II330 - I38 point move for consistency with other such junctions (eg I38/II337/II338)
II331 - fine
II332 - fine
II333 - fine
II334 - fine
II335 - fine
II336 - fine
II337 - point for Tremosnice?
II338 - fine
II339 - fine
II340 - fine
II341 - fine
II342 - fine
II343 - fine
II344 - fine
II345 - fine
II346 - fine
II347 - fine
II348 - fine
II349 - fine
II350 - fine
II351 - fine
II352 - II348_N -> II348_W
II353 - fine
II354 - fine
II355 - fine
II356 - fine
II357 - fine
II358 - fine
II359 - fine
II360 - I14_W -> I14_N, I14_E -> I14_S
II361 - fine
II362 - fine
II363 - fine
II364 - fine
II365 - fine
II366 - fine
II367 - fine
II368 - fine
II369 - fine
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on December 17, 2018, 06:12:13 am
II370 - fine
II371 - fine
II372 - fine
II373 - fine
II373Kon - Zar marked as II642 on OSM and Google, but I couldn't find any road numbers at all in the area
II374 - fine
II374Brn - Rok is marked as II642 on OSM and Google, but I couldn't find any road numbers at all in the area
II375 - fine
II376 - fine
II377 - fine
II378 - fine
II379 - fine
II380 - fine
II381 - fine
II382 - fine
II383 - fine
II384 - fine
II385 - fine
II386 - fine
II387 - fine
II388 - fine
II389 - fine
II390 - fine
II390Ned - fine
II391 - fine
II392 - fine
II393 - fine
II394 - fine
II395 - fine
II396 - move point for II413?
II397 - fine
II398 - fine
II399 - fine
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: michih on December 17, 2018, 08:29:00 am
II321 - DomSka is the end of a concurrency so needs a suffix; add point for where DomSka meets I14? After all, if you use the DomSka (which OSM marks as II321, presumably erroneously) point, you are highly unlikely not to use that road to the I14.

I've added a point to I14. 2012 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@50.1966464,16.2461596,3a,15y,164.07h,85.22t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sMy5mhmBLcGdncphfy918Ig!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) confirms II321 via the bypass. RSD map is not accurate enough here.


II329 - guessing OSM is wrong with the route at Planany

OSM is wrong according to RSD map, 2011 GSV, GM, Mapbox Streets, Esri WorldStreetMap and Here Hybrid Day. However, it might be possible that OSM is the only right one but there's no proof for it. Leave as-is.


II373Kon - Zar marked as II642 on OSM and Google, but I couldn't find any road numbers at all in the area
II374Brn - Rok is marked as II642 on OSM and Google, but I couldn't find any road numbers at all in the area

It's II373, not II373. II642 is indicated on RSD map (March 2016 and July 2018 version) but 2017 GSV (https://www.google.com/maps/@49.204572,16.6415983,3a,75y,38.39h,88.92t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s3WxF3_FQ7YnKAPcYk-JLVQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) has II373 twice (https://www.google.com/maps/@49.206945,16.6421327,3a,26.6y,228.4h,93.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sEW12IS0jtmrV4XSw5LbiYQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) at I42/II374 instead of II642. I guess that's the reason why I've not drafted it. Not adding but I've noted it to readme.md.
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on December 17, 2018, 09:53:05 am
II400 - fine
II401 - fine
II402 - point for Knezice?
II403 - fine
II404 - fine
II405 - fine
II406 - fine
II407 - fine
II408 - II152 is west-east not south-north
II409 - I34 point move to match other junctions of this type?; I23 is east-west not north-south; II152_N -> II152_E
II410 - fine
II411 - fine
II412 - fine
II413 - has it been rerouted near II396? GMSV from 2011 shows old route, but with OSM route having 'No Through Road' signs at each end north of 396 - that problem is fixed, so has the route moved?
II414 - fine
II414Boz - fine
II415 - fine
II416 - fine
II417 - fine
II418 - fine
II419 - fine
II420 - II425 is N-S not W-E
II421 - fine
II422 - I54 is W-E not N-S
II423 - fine
II424 - fine
II425 - fine
II426 - fine
II427 - have a look at what OSM considers I50H. Certainly at a point for where it heads west.
II428 - fine
II429 - I50 point is a bit off
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on December 17, 2018, 10:24:39 am
II430 - fine
II431 - fine
II431Hod - fine
II432 - fine
II433 - fine
II434 - fine
II435 - fine
II435Kro - fine
II436 - fine
II437 - at point at Kocourovec for D35 junction access
II438 - fine
II439 - fine
II440 - I45 is N-S not E-W
II440Hra - fine
II441 - fine
II442 - fine
II443 - fine
II444 - does this not extend to Libava (and the II440)
II445 - fine
II446 - II449 is N-S not E-W
II447 - fine
II448 - fine
II449 - II446 is N-S not W-E
II450 - II445 is N-S not E-W
II451 - fine
II452 - I45_W -> I45_E
II453 - check I44 location
II454 - fine
II455 - fine
II456 - fine
II457 - switch I60_N and I60_S points
II459 - fine
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on December 17, 2018, 11:09:07 am
last bunch!

II460 - fine
II461 - fine
II462 - fine
II463 - fine
II464 - point at Moravska in Butovice?
II465 - fine
II466 - fine
II467 - fine
II468 - GSJ south of I11_S
II469 - fine
II470 - GSJ between D1 and II647_S
II471 - double check routing (mapping disparities)
II472 - fine
II473 - II477 is S-N not E-W
II474 - fine
II475 - fine
II476 - II468 is N-S not W-E
II477 - fine
II478 - fine
II479 - fine
II480 - fine
II481 - fine
II482 - fine
II483 - fine
II484 - fine
II486 - fine
II487 - fine
II488 - check status (map discrepancies)
II489 - fine
II490 - fine
II491 - fine
II492 - fine
II493 - fine
II494 - fine
II495 - I50 is W-E not N-S
II496 - fine
II497 - fine
II498 - II495 is W-E not S-N
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: michih on December 17, 2018, 02:59:45 pm
II427 - have a look at what OSM considers I50H. Certainly at a point for where it heads west.

I've added a wp to II427


II444 - does this not extend to Libava (and the II440)

It didn't according to RSD map from March 2016 but the 2018 map has it


II446 - II449 is N-S not E-W
II449 - II446 is N-S not W-E

Yes, both are N-S routes and I think _W/_E suffixes are just perfect here!? Maybe II449 wp II446_W could be renamed to II446_N?


II452 - I45_W -> I45_E

I45_S


II453 - check I44 location

A new bridge was built (only GM/GSV do not yet have it)


II471 - double check routing (mapping disparities)

2011 GSV only shows signs south of the junction heading north (https://www.google.com/maps/@49.8832062,18.382341,3a,75y,326.42h,66.96t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sQvj22X5wHvxjrCbj2BeZng!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) and west of the junction heading south (https://www.google.com/maps/@49.8848025,18.3786159,3a,15y,83.53h,88.64t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s0lke1WIXn12ZdJbmRkMMEQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656). There is no evidence whether II471 is routed through Bohomin (II647/I67) or to Skřečoň (I67). RSD map is clearly showing the route to Skřečoň and that's how I've mapped it. I also remember that I made a thorough back in 2016 with the same result.


II476 - II468 is N-S not W-E

II476 is NS and II468 clearly heads to the west and east. I would leave as is. @ALL: Any objections? Am I totally wrong here?


II488 - check status (map discrepancies)

Signs are visible at both ends (south (https://www.google.com/maps/@49.0893787,17.8754629,3a,37.5y,317.19h,85.39t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sOG1JZOdf4CzQpyUDIPbVrw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)/north (https://www.google.com/maps/@49.2169676,17.8538683,3a,15y,161.59h,87.18t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s1d_ih3Ps8sQjfDfUOUU1aQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)) but it's from 2012. OSM and RSD map do not show it. Removed.


II494 - fine

I'm gone with OSM/RSD now and let it end at II493 instead of II488 although 2011/12 GSV tells something different (https://www.google.com/maps/@49.0883835,17.8778048,3a,75y,171.56h,88.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sztzsIDE9vvf0C7WH0G1Hwg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) (and here (https://www.google.com/maps/@49.1240505,17.9410748,3a,15y,280.27h,84.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sty5iA5q617dBJlqbml7DjQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656))
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on December 17, 2018, 04:18:27 pm
II476 is NS
Debatable, it's rather diagonal.

Also, irrelevant. Clearly there isn't a grid here, but in places (N America) where there's strong grids routes don't necessarily meet at right angles (eg two N-S roads can meet each other) and so a N-S route can meet another one.
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and II468 clearly heads to the west and east.
On the micro level, but the road in general is very clearly more N-S orientated (http://travelmapping.net/hb/?units=miles&u=michih&r=cze.ii468).

I'm fine with the status quo, if you are willing to take on board the general point (which was a lot of the issues I saw) that N-S roads can be concurrent with N-S roads, rather than the other routes needing to be perpendicular.
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I'm gone with OSM/RSD now and let it end at II493 instead of II488 although 2011/12 GSV tells something different (https://www.google.com/maps/@49.0883835,17.8778048,3a,75y,171.56h,88.07t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sztzsIDE9vvf0C7WH0G1Hwg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) (and here (https://www.google.com/maps/@49.1240505,17.9410748,3a,15y,280.27h,84.49t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sty5iA5q617dBJlqbml7DjQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656))
That's fine. There's been some renumbering here. I trust your judgement on this.
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: michih on December 17, 2018, 04:33:12 pm
I'm fine with the status quo, if you are willing to take on board the general point (which was a lot of the issues I saw) that N-S roads can be concurrent with N-S roads, rather than the other routes needing to be perpendicular.

I was not sure about the rule back in 2016. I've checked whether each route is more WE or NS and then I've striclty called the wps of all intersecting routes with concurrencies NS (if the route itself is WE) and WE if NS route. I thought there might be a peer-review soon so that I'll get feedback what's right and what's wrong. I've changed my strategy meanwhile and I think that my latest systems are better, see deuthl. Likely not 100% perfect though. In the end, if the label name has the correct numbering, the cardinal directions have secondary meaning only... Sorry.
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: si404 on December 17, 2018, 05:08:48 pm
Sorry.
No need to apologise.
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In the end, if the label name has the correct numbering, the cardinal directions have secondary meaning only.
Indeed - unless the roads have explicit cardinal directions, of course.
Title: Re: Czechia Silnice I. + II. Třídy (czei + czeii)
Post by: michih on December 18, 2018, 03:48:02 pm
@Si: Thanks for the review! System will be activated with the next site update :)