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Highway Data Discussion => In-progress Highway Systems & Work => Topic started by: michih on February 13, 2019, 04:15:30 pm

Title: Rest of America Master Thread
Post by: michih on February 13, 2019, 04:15:30 pm
List of potential systems (Grey=no potential system, Black=to be checked or not yet drafted (not in HB), Red=devel, Orange=preview, Chocolate=review requested, Green=active).

Sub-continental system
naca - Rutas Centroamericanas (neroute2) reviewer: t.b.d.

National systems
abwrt - Aruba Routes
aia? - Anguilla ?
argrn - Argentina Rutas Nacionales (michih) reviewer: t.b.d.
atg? - Antigua and Barbuda ?
bes? - Bonaire, Sint Eustatius and Saba ?
bhs? - Bahamas ?
blm - Saint Barthelemy is part of Guadeloupe's numbering system
blzar - Belize National Routes (mapmikey) reviewer: t.b.d.
blzd - Belize District Routes (mapmikey) reviewer: t.b.d.
bmu? - Bermuda ?
bolf - Bolivia Red Vial Fundamental (signed?)
brabr - Brazil Rodovias Federais
brbh - Barbados Highways
chlrn - Chile Rutas Nacionales
colrn - Colombia Red Nacional de Carreteras (signed?)
crir - Costa Rica Rutas Nacionales
cuba - Cuba Autopista
cubn - Cuba Main Roads
cuw? - Curacao ?
cyma - Cayman Island A Roads (unsigned)
dma? - Dominica ?
dom? - Dominican Republic Main Roads
ecue Ecuador Primerias Red Vial Estatal
flka - Falkland Islands A Roads (numbered?)
flkb - Falkland Islands B Roads (numbered?)
glpn - Guadeloupe Routes Nationales
glpd - Guadeloupe Routes Départementales (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
grd? - Grenada ?
grl? - Greenland ?
gtmrn - Guatemala National Roads
gufn - French Guiana Routes Nationales
gufd - French Guiana Routes Départementales (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
guy? - Guyana ?
hdn? - Honduras Rutas Nacionales
htirn - Haiti Routes Nationales
jamt - Jamaica Motorways
jama - Jamaica A Roads
jamb - Jamaica B Roads (si404)
kna? - St Kitts and Nevis ?
lca? - St Lucia ?
maf - Saint Martin is part of Guadeloupe's numbering system
mexd - Mexico Federal Expressways
mexed - Mexico State Expressways (split into multiple systems?)
mexsf - Mexico Select Freeways (neroute2) reviewer: t.b.d.
mexf - Mexico Federal Highways (neroute2) reviewer: t.b.d.
mexemex - Estado de México Carreteras Estatales (neroute2) reviewer: t.b.d.
mexqro - Querétaro Carreteras Estatales (neroute2) reviewer: t.b.d.
mexdfeje - Mexico City Ejes (neroute2) reviewer: t.b.d.
msr? - Montserrat ?
mtqa - Martinique Autoroutes
mtqn - Martinique Routes Nationales
mtqd - Martinique Routes Départementales (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
nicnic - Nicaragua National Roads
pan? - Panama National Highways
perpe - Peru Carreteras Nacionales (signed?)
prypy - Paraguay Rutas Nacionales (signed?)
slvrn - El Salvador Rutas Nacionales
spmn - Saint Pierre and Miquelon Routes Territoriales
sur? - Suriname ?
sxm? - Sint Maarten ?
tcaa - Turks and Caicos Islands A Roads
tcab - Turks and Caicos Islands B Roads
ttoh - Trinidad and Tobago Highways (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
ttomr - Trinidad and Tobago Main Roads (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
uryrn - Uruguay Rutas Nacionales
vct? - St Vincent and the Grenadines ?
vent - Venezuela Rutas Nacionales (signed?)
vgb - British Virgin Islands (no system)
Title: Re: South America Master Thread
Post by: Duke87 on February 13, 2019, 08:32:09 pm
Chile Rutas Nacionales do not appear to be signed particularly thoroughly, but signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@-45.5103635,-72.1094331,3a,16.9y,52.96h,97.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0jEbr4iJkUnVYeTWpKKgdw!2e0!5s20130401T000000!7i13312!8i6656) do (https://www.google.com/maps/@-52.7556404,-71.0059964,3a,15y,300.75h,92.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy7MVBkG4t33FSX88EIbwKA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) exist (https://www.google.com/maps/@-20.2125151,-69.7890502,3a,15y,1.68h,89.49t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sT_ukD3bUAFJTTjERTE9HIg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DT_ukD3bUAFJTTjERTE9HIg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D63.670723%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100). Also sometimes text instead of shield (https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.493138,-70.7522854,3a,15y,68.9h,98.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spoFI0KEVOi-k7boNvXm5eA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).
Title: Re: South America Master Thread
Post by: michih on February 14, 2019, 02:23:54 pm
but signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@-45.5103635,-72.1094331,3a,16.9y,52.96h,97.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0jEbr4iJkUnVYeTWpKKgdw!2e0!5s20130401T000000!7i13312!8i6656) do (https://www.google.com/maps/@-52.7556404,-71.0059964,3a,15y,300.75h,92.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy7MVBkG4t33FSX88EIbwKA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) exist (https://www.google.com/maps/@-20.2125151,-69.7890502,3a,15y,1.68h,89.49t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sT_ukD3bUAFJTTjERTE9HIg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DT_ukD3bUAFJTTjERTE9HIg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D63.670723%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100). Also sometimes text instead of shield (https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.493138,-70.7522854,3a,15y,68.9h,98.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spoFI0KEVOi-k7boNvXm5eA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).

I think that's common all over SA. For instance, ARG and URY routes are signed "well" but not "thoroughly" as we are used from other countries.
Title: Re: South America Master Thread
Post by: vdeane on February 16, 2019, 06:52:40 pm
Any plans to include the Autopista systems for Chile and Argentina?  They're wholly concurrent with the other numbered routes, but there is precedent for that (New Zealand).
Title: Re: South America Master Thread
Post by: the_spui_ninja on February 16, 2019, 10:52:43 pm
Peru (at least near Cusco and Puno) has not very good signage...
Title: Re: South America Master Thread
Post by: michih on February 17, 2019, 02:24:48 am
Any plans to include the Autopista systems for Chile and Argentina?  They're wholly concurrent with the other numbered routes, but there is precedent for that (New Zealand).

I don't like this policy and it's different to Nea Zealand now:

If all routes are concurrent to SH roads, then what's the point of having this system at all? If that's the case, I'd say scrap it.
Because it was drafted a good year beforehand? Also, nzlsh is a long way off preview status and I can always merge it in when nzlsh is activated if we don't want to highlight that these roads are motorways (or throw into a ocesm grab-bag system with Australian named motorways).

I'm pretty sure that we have other systems entirely concurrent with other systems - cantch is AFAICS (OK, cansk doesn't yet exist).

I'll continued drafting argrn system but there are many unsigned exits in Argentina. I need to check GSV but it has issues in some Argentinan regions. That's why I stopped drafting argrn last year. Once I'll have completed the system, I'll check for unsigned routes and add a system like cannf, eursf or usasf.


On the one hand, I like the idea of having the system so that the major freeways are colored blue (it does look odd if a place with a freeway system doesn't have any blue routes).  On the other, it is wholly concurrent, and the distinction of what is and isn't a motorway seems arbitrary to me; I get the sense that it's used more as a legal function and not really meant to be a coherent "system" of routes.

I also like having major freeways colored blue but that's a different point.
Title: Re: South America Master Thread
Post by: vdeane on February 17, 2019, 06:36:30 pm
It also allows people who want to track their progress on the freeway system specifically to have a separate map/stats for it.

Regarding Google Maps, it is certainly true that street view in parts of Argentina is rather unpleasant.
Title: Re: Rest of America Master Thread
Post by: michih on April 10, 2019, 03:24:19 pm
Ah, thread was renamed to "Rest of America" and many potential systems added. Thanks.
Title: Re: Rest of America Master Thread
Post by: Duke87 on April 19, 2019, 01:06:30 am
The British Virgin Islands do not have any signed numbered routes, so no system there.
Title: Re: Rest of America Master Thread
Post by: neroute2 on January 15, 2020, 07:40:08 pm
Cuba has signed routes; here's a sign for the A1: https://www.mapillary.com/app/?focus=photo&pKey=Hk5G3vmL5VdRV9lgb3hAGA
Title: Re: Rest of America Master Thread
Post by: michih on January 16, 2020, 02:37:23 pm
Cuba has signed routes; here's a sign for the A1: https://www.mapillary.com/app/?focus=photo&pKey=Hk5G3vmL5VdRV9lgb3hAGA

Sure, that why we have

cuba - Cuba Autopista

on the list.
Title: Re: Rest of America Master Thread
Post by: michih on May 25, 2020, 12:39:14 pm
brabr - Brazil Rodovias Federais
ecue Ecuador Primerias Red Vial Estatal

I planned to draft these one day but gave up. Anyone can have a try.
I started drafting brabr but the signage was quite bad where I've started. There are a few fragments on Github:

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/tree/master/hwy_data/BRA/brabr
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/tree/master/hwy_data/ECU/ecue
Title: Re: Rest of America Master Thread
Post by: neroute2 on May 27, 2020, 12:55:47 pm
Links to signs:

Central America
Belize?
Costa Rica (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:San_Jose_Caldera_Ruta_27.JPG)
Guatemala (https://www.google.com/maps/@14.7982321,-90.6430692,3a,17y,23.19h,82.11t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sTg35mJ2f_im7MLWH7GIWMw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Honduras (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Las_Crusitas_-_panoramio.jpg)
Nicaragua (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=12.311650250241996&lng=-86.05439700048402&z=17&focus=photo&pKey=gKYiTh7K-BFyFUwphzZgpg&x=0.765913536099249&y=0.5520877218924427&zoom=1.5211267605633803)
Panama (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=8.95092392602459&lng=-79.66619921168032&z=17&focus=photo&pKey=VHZViT4xmFUGZkgGMieYBA&x=0.4813209253910481&y=0.14985615790329587&zoom=1.6274685514426124)
El Salvador (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=13.982983079532161&lng=-89.59632890994152&z=17&pKey=eNdO8_fLxQbcgwvmLfM-Cw&focus=photo&x=0.5095575025415257&y=0.41116658061859396&zoom=0)

South America
Argentina (https://www.google.com/maps/@-38.7055079,-62.3365823,3a,46.7y,224.72h,111.98t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sVZSBH91VSL5zzlGxAmh1oA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Bolivia (https://www.google.com/maps/@-16.3095626,-67.9035656,3a,23.7y,66.58h,110.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSQD1MTkuedefYSF_PGcVdw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Brazil (https://www.google.com/maps/@-22.5581444,-44.1255889,3a,15y,137.83h,108.03t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sGk8SREplt4pISxurHxK9dA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192)
Chile (http://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=2912.msg13102#msg13102) (Via Panam (https://www.google.com/maps/@-31.1118128,-71.59593,3a,16.6y,12.01h,81.16t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sSRUg0e-YZKcQsO3tqiijUw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656))
Colombia (https://www.google.com/maps/@4.1231061,-73.6470018,3a,54.1y,317.13h,103.59t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sItF5cKvq7Ae7inISt20Kpw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Ecuador (https://www.google.com/maps/@-0.4167789,-78.5494803,3a,15y,237.41h,93.27t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s4-P9OpX-UpoIStlP1pW6kQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) (also standalone reassurance (https://www.google.com/maps/@-0.0437774,-78.2860589,3a,18.1y,337h,84.68t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sPQcpABI2pznx6h5F5EcVrA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656))
French Guiana (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=5.154163570259114&lng=-52.6728701249602&z=13.908506134958387&focus=photo&pKey=LqnZxPWtRi812ia7VLeQhA&x=0.17926622516351287&y=0.5572189631912905&zoom=1.4790153401524033)
Guyana?
Paraguay?
Peru (https://www.google.com/maps/@-11.372655,-77.3220675,3a,15.1y,177.45h,85.95t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1s432AZQk-l1mhMjSW2a4AFg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) (Via Panam (https://www.google.com/maps/@-11.0593453,-77.5893326,3a,15.2y,210.44h,96.88t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1skLSX5NP6a0JBvVBcofqcFw!2e0!7i13312!8i6656))
Suriname?
Uruguay (https://www.google.com/maps/@-34.8646542,-56.2499104,3a,54.8y,280.36h,96.82t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sqh0d3qCIMnkbJIhPe6i5dA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656)
Venezuela (https://commons.wikimedia.org/wiki/File:Valencia_2010_001.jpg)
Title: Re: Rest of America Master Thread
Post by: the_spui_ninja on May 27, 2020, 06:30:23 pm
Figured I'd add the signage I was able to take pictures of in Peru 3 years ago (what little I saw): here (https://photos.app.goo.gl/hgvj4GeeQ36VScTr5)

Title: Re: South America Master Thread
Post by: neroute2 on May 30, 2020, 06:22:27 pm
Any plans to include the Autopista systems for Chile and Argentina?  They're wholly concurrent with the other numbered routes, but there is precedent for that (New Zealand).
In neither country does the autopista system seem to be a defined system. So probably not.
Title: Re: Rest of America Master Thread
Post by: michih on May 31, 2020, 03:08:45 am
Any plans to include the Autopista systems for Chile and Argentina?  They're wholly concurrent with the other numbered routes, but there is precedent for that (New Zealand).
In neither country does the autopista system seem to be a defined system. So probably not.

I fully agree but it's the very same with nzlmot "system". Or eursf system usage in northern Europe.
The reason is that the developer wanted to highlight freeways. Which is a fair reason because it's the interest of some / many users.
Title: Re: South America Master Thread
Post by: neroute2 on June 01, 2020, 06:43:47 pm
Chile Rutas Nacionales do not appear to be signed particularly thoroughly, but signs (https://www.google.com/maps/@-45.5103635,-72.1094331,3a,16.9y,52.96h,97.56t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1s0jEbr4iJkUnVYeTWpKKgdw!2e0!5s20130401T000000!7i13312!8i6656) do (https://www.google.com/maps/@-52.7556404,-71.0059964,3a,15y,300.75h,92.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sy7MVBkG4t33FSX88EIbwKA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656) exist (https://www.google.com/maps/@-20.2125151,-69.7890502,3a,15y,1.68h,89.49t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1sT_ukD3bUAFJTTjERTE9HIg!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo2.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DT_ukD3bUAFJTTjERTE9HIg%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D63.670723%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100). Also sometimes text instead of shield (https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.493138,-70.7522854,3a,15y,68.9h,98.54t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1spoFI0KEVOi-k7boNvXm5eA!2e0!7i13312!8i6656).

A rare secondary route shield: https://www.google.com/maps/@-33.5703958,-70.8167454,3a,15y,81.31h,89.58t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1sc1w_rQTP2CPGUQPekQb5Gg!2e0!7i13312!8i6656