Travel Mapping

Highway Data Discussion => In-progress Highway Systems & Work => Topic started by: mapcat on July 27, 2016, 11:20:27 pm

Title: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: mapcat on July 27, 2016, 11:20:27 pm
Where did they go? We had some for England and Scotland, and they seem to have disappeared.
Title: Re: GB Tourist Routes
Post by: Jim on July 27, 2016, 11:59:18 pm
There's an error in the system from a recent change, and while traveling, I have only had the chance to run quick site updates and haven't investigated.  Once that error is fixed, the system will return.
Title: Re: GB Tourist Routes
Post by: si404 on July 28, 2016, 03:14:37 am
I've fixed the issue
Title: Re: GB Tourist Routes
Post by: mapcat on July 28, 2016, 07:44:25 am
Thanks!
Title: Re: GB Tourist Routes
Post by: si404 on August 01, 2016, 12:28:18 pm
Posting a few sources (almost all the others are ones I've spotted in the field, or someone else has, and then I've followed the routes on GMSV to see if they are signed).

England

Northern Ireland

Scotland

Wales

Crown Dependencies
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: michih on August 15, 2018, 02:29:37 am
I've renamed the thread because the system was renamed (and it's currently commented due to some errors).

So, what's the condition for routes?
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: si404 on August 18, 2018, 12:11:43 pm
Signed, preferably in brown (though special symbols like the Wild Atlantic Way's \/\/\/\/ (WAW) waves would count), seems reasonable.

I'm likely going to purge the one-way tours (eg Kent and Sperrins), little forest drives along tracks, and connect-the-dots circles (eg Black-and-White tour, which links villages with black-and-white houses). But at the moment, I'm leaving them in until I've made sure they are well documented elsewhere.

I'll leave it to you whether the lower Saxony Asparagus route (https://www.niedersaechsische-spargelstrasse.de/der-verein/mitglieder/) is a valid entrant - it's a circular connect-the-dots style theme route, but it's also one of those Ferienstraße (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ferienstra%C3%9Fe)  that have some official status like Scotland's National Tourist Routes, or Norway's, etc.
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: michih on August 18, 2018, 02:03:19 pm
I don't wanna add anything from German-speaking countries just because GSV is not published. I have no evidence that they are signed and I really don't know the correct routing. I tried to find info about exact routing of Austria "Erlebnisstraßen" 2 years ago but couldn't find reliable data... Most German routes (there are a lot!) are concurrent with routes which are already in HB.

I'd still love to add Alps passes or Felbertauern Straße (http://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=436) but they are not signed in brown or anything similar.

The poll recently got another vote and adding eurap+eursor is no.1 now. I really don't know.....
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: panda80 on September 20, 2018, 03:32:32 am
The scenic routes seem to have again disappeared. A good place to start if you want to map the routes for DACH can be https://www.ferienstrassen.info. Even if for Germany a big chunk of the routes are already mappable (B or St/L roads) there are still some stretches over some kreis roads, which are not going to be in the system anytime soon.
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: Jim on September 20, 2018, 08:03:31 am
Some errors were introduced into that system and I didn't have time last night to track them down and fix them, so I temporarily removed that system from to be able to get a site update to run to completion.  They'll be back on the next site update after fixes are made.
Title: Isle of Man: imn.ttcir endpoints
Post by: yakra on October 27, 2018, 02:37:56 am
Start and Finish aren't proper endpoint labels. Words of 5+ letters get truncated to 3 letters, but beyond that, WEnd & EEnd would probably be preferred per the manual.

Weird case here -- why the begin/end where there's no actual road junction?

Edit: Full region name for non-North American regions
Title: Re: Isle of Man: imn.ttcir endpoints
Post by: michih on October 27, 2018, 02:45:50 am
It seems to work but I fully agree that it's not according to "our (inofficial) rules" and I don't like it (the latter doesn't mean that it's forbidden).

btw: eurtr is a preview system. Should be merged with http://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=367
Title: Re: Isle of Man: imn.ttcir endpoints
Post by: si404 on October 27, 2018, 04:16:05 am
Weird case here -- why the begin/end where there's no actual road junction?
Because there's big grandstand, markings and all that there making clear that its the start/end of a lap - having the route begin/end anywhere else would be silly.

Yes the non-standard labels are not ideal, but 'WEnd' and 'EEnd' for two points in the same place on a one-way circular route seems dumb, especially as one direction is explicitly a beginning.
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: yakra on October 27, 2018, 05:01:52 am
Quote
Because there's big grandstand, markings and all that there making clear that its the start/end of a lap - having the route begin/end anywhere else would be silly.
Figured it was something about like that. :D Here's one in my backyard. (https://www.google.com/maps/@43.5723312,-70.2470044,3a,33.7y,133.44h,79.39t/data=!3m5!1e1!3m3!1shC_oetAgCmROtzmXFBPO1Q!2e0!6s%2F%2Fgeo3.ggpht.com%2Fcbk%3Fpanoid%3DhC_oetAgCmROtzmXFBPO1Q%26output%3Dthumbnail%26cb_client%3Dmaps_sv.tactile.gps%26thumb%3D2%26w%3D203%26h%3D100%26yaw%3D142.48991%26pitch%3D0%26thumbfov%3D100)

Quote
Yes the non-standard labels are not ideal, but 'WEnd' and 'EEnd' for two points in the same place on a one-way circular route seems dumb, especially as one direction is explicitly a beginning.
Foo_W & Foo_E, or Foo_S & Foo_N, follow in the tradition of naming duplicate endpoints on circular routes... case study: TX TXLp8 (http://travelmapping.net/hb/?units=miles&u=yakra&r=tx.lp008). Picture the route as a loop of string, that you unroll & straighten out, keeping the opposite point on the loop in place. Voici your S & N, or W & E ends. From there, I just went to the manual's guidance on non-intersection endpoints: search "In the rarer case of this situation applying to both ends of a highway"...
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: si404 on October 27, 2018, 08:12:36 am
I've gone with Gra_W and Gra_E (Gra for Grandstand)
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: yakra on October 27, 2018, 01:28:12 pm
Righto, I'll settle for that. :)
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: panda80 on November 15, 2018, 04:13:09 am
Deutsche Alpenstrasse would be a good candidate to have here. It's signed all the way with brown signs and it's pretty well known. It also goes over some roads that are not clinchable now so it will be nice to have.

https://www.deutsche-alpenstrasse.de/en/home
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: michih on November 15, 2018, 02:07:05 pm
@panda: I've already drafted GTS (Grand Tour of Switzerland) and tried to find out more info about routes from https://www.ferienstrassen.info/. In general, all routes should be signed and I think that most are really signed well, minimum the routes I travel on occasion. There are some routes quite close to my home and they are all with brown signs. There seem to be some exceptions with non-brown signs. I travel the "Route of indulgence" (https://mapservices.eu/nefos_app/frontend/page/ferienstrassen/de?type=2039#resourceDetail,9492865) almost daily and this route is NOT signed AFAIK.
(https://mapservices.eu/nefos/site-files/17/uploads/thumbnail/rdg-logo-hellergrund_kopie.jpg)

I cannot check GSV because it's not available in Germany. That the closest route to my home is not signed makes me struggling. Should I really trust the source and add all routes?

In addition, some routes have short branches (1..2km) to villages next to the main route. Should I also add them?
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: panda80 on November 16, 2018, 03:49:34 am
@panda: I've already drafted GTS (Grand Tour of Switzerland) and tried to find out more info about routes from https://www.ferienstrassen.info/. In general, all routes should be signed and I think that most are really signed well, minimum the routes I travel on occasion. There are some routes quite close to my home and they are all with brown signs. There seem to be some exceptions with non-brown signs. I travel the "Route of indulgence" (https://mapservices.eu/nefos_app/frontend/page/ferienstrassen/de?type=2039#resourceDetail,9492865) almost daily and this route is NOT signed AFAIK.
(https://mapservices.eu/nefos/site-files/17/uploads/thumbnail/rdg-logo-hellergrund_kopie.jpg)

I cannot check GSV because it's not available in Germany. That the closest route to my home is not signed makes me struggling. Should I really trust the source and add all routes?

In addition, some routes have short branches (1..2km) to villages next to the main route. Should I also add them?

Don't know what to say...I would maybe add the most known routes, which have already some tradition, first? For Germany it would be Alpenstrasse, Alleenstraße, Romantische Straße, Glasstraße. I would also add branches, and name them after the main location where the branch goes.
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: si404 on November 16, 2018, 06:34:10 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marguerite_route <- Danish equivalent to the Grand Tour of Switzerland route, signed with Marguerite flowers (wiki link given as it links to several sources).

When it comes to branches, the Wild Atlantic Way has theoretically tons, but without recent GMSV, I cannot tell how well signed they are. With the absorbed tourist routes still signed, AFAICS, the major branches are covered.
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: michih on November 16, 2018, 03:51:03 pm
Don't know what to say...I would maybe add the most known routes, which have already some tradition, first? For Germany it would be Alpenstrasse, Alleenstraße, Romantische Straße, Glasstraße. I would also add branches, and name them after the main location where the branch goes.

I wanna activate the German tier 5 systems first to minimize trouble with concurrent (tourist) routes when tweaking waypoints et cetera. Afterwards I'll think about it. Reviewing (own) systems is pain in the a** and I need to draft anything parallel. That means, Romania first :) It might take another year...
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: michih on February 03, 2019, 11:04:19 am
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Marguerite_route <- Danish equivalent to the Grand Tour of Switzerland route

Added: http://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?sys=eurtr&rg=DNK (2,500mi; 4,000km)
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: si404 on May 04, 2019, 10:05:59 am
Finnish National Routes:
http://www.rantatie.com/wp-content/uploads/2011/12/Suomen-matkailutiet-kartalla.pdf

I don't know if Norwegian, Swedish and Russian sections of the Blue Road are signed (tbh, the NOR/SWE bit is just Rv/E12). But the Norwegian and Swedish sections of the Northern Lights Route are, so I added those.
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: michih on May 14, 2019, 11:04:09 am
I've drafted two German routes in Baden-Württemberg and Bavaria:
Romantische Straße (RomStr) - Romantic Route - source (https://www.dreamango.com/de/tour/touristische-strassen/romantische-strasse-von-wuerzburg-bis-fuessen/1551165/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=embed&utm_campaign=embed-plugin-referral&utm_term=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ferienstrassen.info%2F#dm=1)
Weinstraße Taubertal (WeinStrTau) - Wine Route River Tauber Valley - source (https://www.dreamango.com/de/tour/touristische-strassen/weinstrasse-taubertal/16364854/?utm_medium=referral&utm_source=embed&utm_campaign=embed-plugin-referral&utm_term=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.ferienstrassen.info%2F#dm=1) - should be in HB with next site update

I've renamed all wps of existing routes from other systems for district and local roads to RomStr where RomStr intersects them like I did for MR in Denmark which is fine.
However, WeinStrTau is partially concurrent to RomStr and I would need to rename RomStr to RomStr/WeinStrTau to be consistent. Many German tourist routes are partially concurrent to each other. This policy would be insane...

Should I keep district and local road names? Any thoughts?


I've added "important" branches but not every tiny one especially when it's concurrent to routes already in HB. Objections?
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: michih on May 14, 2019, 02:37:37 pm
Bertha Benz Momorial Route added - route of the first car road trip ever! :)

(https://img.oastatic.com/img2/34876596/-x267s/t.jpg)
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bertha_Benz_Memorial_Route
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: si404 on May 15, 2019, 08:34:32 am
I've renamed all wps of existing routes from other systems for district and local roads to RomStr where RomStr intersects them like I did for MR in Denmark which is fine.
However, WeinStrTau is partially concurrent to RomStr and I would need to rename RomStr to RomStr/WeinStrTau to be consistent. Many German tourist routes are partially concurrent to each other. This policy would be insane...

Should I keep district and local road names? Any thoughts?
I generally have kept local names, but I can see why you have taken your approach. I'd suggest keeping stuff simple - just give one name. This is consistent with policy on numbered routes where we don't give all of them if we have two already, due to making the labels too long - and, as RomStr is as long as I-80/90 or whatever, just having the 1 named road makes sense.

Plus there's a rule about <roadname>/<roadname> labels - eg when a route turns from 2nd Street to 11th Avenue with both continuing, the label is <either road name>_<relevant direction>.
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: yakra on May 15, 2019, 11:04:13 am
I agree with Si -- Just one roadname in the label, no slash.

Quote
Should I keep district and local road names? Any thoughts?
I know that in North American tourist/scenic systems, such as usaush or cannsf, local road names were used instead of "highway names" -- E.G., MainSt_Wea instead of US66His_E. Not to say this means you have to do things any one particular way in Europe; this is just how things were done in one place...
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: michih on May 15, 2019, 02:09:26 pm
Thanks :) I think I'll keep "local names" and only use TSR names in Germany if there is no other appropriate label name. Not sure whether I wanna undone RomStr route name changes.....
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: panda80 on May 29, 2019, 01:59:54 am
I would need a WP on Romantische Straße, in Scheuring, at the intersection with Landsberger Straße. Thank you.
Title: Re: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (eurtr)
Post by: michih on September 20, 2019, 03:38:21 am
http://travelmapping.net/hb?r=fin.vkktiesav has a duplicate label "VaaTie" which cannot be used by travelers.
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: michih on April 22, 2020, 03:44:30 pm
They form a coherent system we can remove from eurtr and put in its own thing. They were only really put in to one larger grab bag so as to reduce the number of systems.

I wanted to propose this too. But there is minimum one international routes: Northern Lights Route in Norway, Sweden and Finland. How would we deal with it?

Pros:
- Easier to review
- Quicker to activate
- Easier to maintain (minimum csv files)
- Easier to clinch

Cons:
- International routes
- Number of systems
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: si404 on April 22, 2020, 03:56:52 pm
But there is minimum one international routes: Northern Lights Route in Norway, Sweden and Finland. How would we deal with it?
The Northern Lights Route would stay in eurtr, for now at least.

We might keep a grabbag system, however, Norway's Scenic Routes, Scotland's National Tourist Routes, and no doubt some others, form coherent systems of their own. cf: KY Parkways (as was) and NY Parkways coming out of the US Select Named Freeway system.
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: michih on April 22, 2020, 04:01:49 pm
So, a new nortr system with the 18 main routes (https://www.nasjonaleturistveger.no/en/routes), and NLR should stay in eurtr?

MR as the only main route for dnktr or should it stay in eurtr?
GTS as the only main route for chetr or should it stay in eurtr?
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: si404 on April 22, 2020, 05:25:37 pm
So, a new nortr system with the 18 main routes (https://www.nasjonaleturistveger.no/en/routes), and NLR should stay in eurtr?
Yep.
Quote
MR as the only main route for dnktr or should it stay in eurtr?
GTS as the only main route for chetr or should it stay in eurtr?
They should stay for now. Arguably they should be in the same system with the Wild Atlantic Way and other such 'road trip routes' (eg NC500 should they get round to signing it with the shields they have).
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: michih on April 23, 2020, 06:18:13 am
MR as the only main route for dnktr or should it stay in eurtr?
GTS as the only main route for chetr or should it stay in eurtr?
They should stay for now. Arguably they should be in the same system with the Wild Atlantic Way and other such 'road trip routes' (eg NC500 should they get round to signing it with the shields they have).

I'm not sure whether I like your proposal. We might merge all nortr, gbrtr, deutr,... systems back into eurtr again once all are active? But on the other hand, especially the only Danish and the only Swiss route might be the ones going active first.

I'd like to have one system per country (not region), review them, and merge them all together into eurtr again.
But when?
It will take very long till all German tourist routes will be drafted and reviewed.
And I've no idea which countries do have tourist routes, e.g. Italy, Spain, Greece, Poland,... Do they have?
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: si404 on April 23, 2020, 06:39:31 am
We might merge all nortr, gbrtr, deutr,... systems back into eurtr again once all are active?
No. My proposal is that we take specific coherent systems - Norwegian scenic routes (which doesn't include the NLR), Scottish National Tourist Routes, etc - out of the grab-bag eurtr system permanently.
Quote
But on the other hand, especially the only Danish and the only Swiss route might be the ones going active first.
No. The GTS and MR will definitely not being going active first.
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: michih on April 23, 2020, 06:45:07 am
But on the other hand, especially the only Danish and the only Swiss route might be the ones going active first.
No. The GTS and MR will definitely not being going active first.

I meant as dnktr + chetr systems.

Or we split everything off from eurtr so that only the international routes and routes of regions with just one (main) route remain, and bring it active "earlier" - not first but early.

But which international routes are still missing? I don't have an overview which I think is needed before we can decide. Just my 2c...
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: michih on April 23, 2020, 11:09:44 am
But which international routes are still missing? I don't have an overview which I think is needed before we can decide. Just my 2c...

Via Claudia Augusta is in DEU, AUT and ITA
Via Sacra is in DEU, POL and CZE
Route Verte is in DEU and FRA
Sisi Straße is in FRA, CHE, LIE, AUT, DEU and HUN
Via Regia is in FRA, DEU, POL and UKR
...
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: si404 on April 23, 2020, 12:29:31 pm
I meant as dnktr + chetr systems.
perhaps dnkmr and chegts systems, containing just the one route (in multiple sections), because they are unique in that country. But one route doesn't really make a system and those two are similar and belong together with other such massively long routes (Wild Atlantic Way, etc)
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: michih on April 23, 2020, 01:07:00 pm
Fine to me but what's the difference to the potential nortr, deutr,... routes?
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: michih on April 23, 2020, 02:09:19 pm
The eursf system could be a Select system. Select International Tourist Routes? Select Tourist Routes?

We could review and activate it, then add other routes including update entries if we will find more routes in other European regions.
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: michih on April 26, 2020, 07:43:56 am
norntv (Norway Nasjonale Turistveger) is split off now. Only the international route Nordlysvegen (http://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?r=nor.nlr) remains in eurtr system.

About 80% of the German tourist routes (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Ferien-_und_Themenstra%C3%9Fen) are 100% within Germany but 20% do cross borders. I don't wanna split a deutr system off which covers only 80% of the routes. Although I just did the very same for norntv which comprises only 95% of the Norwegian tourist routes....

I'm still in favor of merging the systems once all will be active. But for reviewing, it's better to have small systems, especially since still a lot of routes are missing to eurtr, e.g. about 99% of the German routes.

What a mess.....
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: si404 on April 26, 2020, 08:22:56 am
About 80% of the German tourist routes (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Liste_der_Ferien-_und_Themenstra%C3%9Fen) are 100% within Germany but 20% do cross borders. I don't wanna split a deutr system off which covers only 80% of the routes. Although I just did the very same for norntv which comprises only 95% of the Norwegian tourist routes.
You are thinking nationally here - splitting into countries. I'm thinking systemly here - splitting into systems.

The sctntr system (which obviously isn't gbrntr, covering the whole UK) has just the 12 national tourist routes (1 (https://www.transport.gov.scot/publication/trunk-road-and-motorway-tourist-signposting-policy-and-guidance/j7818-13/)), and doesn't include many other routes (eg there's 17 routes mapped here here (https://www.visitscotland.com/see-do/tours/driving-road-trips/routes/planner/overview//): the 12 national routes, 3 of the 4 'road trip routes' (NC500 and copy-cats*), one of the several trails, and the one Scenic Route created out of an attempt to try and copy Norway, forgetting that routes already existed!). That's because the system is a system, rather than a grab-bag within a region.

The norntv system has all the 'Norwegian Scenic Routes' / 'Nasjonale turistveger' in it - that there's another tourist route in Norway (there might be more - eg the Blue Highway (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Blue_Highway_(tourist_route)) - but when I briefly looked, I couldn't see it signed) is neither here nor there as to whether it's a complete system.

A large number of routes would remain in the European grab bag (perhaps we have an active system, and a 'under-development' system, perhaps with specific review systems and just move stuff across for review and activation?), but these two are certainly systems in their own right - they could go back into eurtr, but they can stay out as coherent entities.

*Of course the NC500 is itself somewhat of a copy-cat, modelled after the Wild Atlantic Way. And I'm pretty sure the MR, GTS and WAW are interlinked. They kind of form a sort-of-system (certainly a subset of a grab-bag system) together - and so we might want them grouped together.
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: michih on April 26, 2020, 09:19:34 am
I'm not sure that these are systems. Who defines them?

For instance, the German wikipedia article about the adventure routes (Erlebnisstraßen) in Austria (https://de.wikipedia.org/wiki/Erlebnisstra%C3%9Fe) states that there are more than 60 routes in Austria but the Austrian Tourismn Association has characterized twelve routes out of them and called them Traumrouten = dreamlike routes. Should the twelve routes be an own system?

If so, why can't we consider the Danish Margueritruten and the Swiss Grand Route like the Austrian dreamlike routes and put them into own systems? I think it's also similar to the TCH system... Virtually one route with different segments.
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: michih on April 26, 2020, 09:30:45 am
I like the option of having small systems. It would also be fine to me if we had.... 30 systems in Germany and 5 in Austria or whatever.... But how can we say that the system is complete?

Well, eurtr is a Select system and we don't say that it's complete..... maybe that's the way we should go..... I don't like it though.
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: si404 on April 26, 2020, 09:55:32 am
If so, why can't we consider the Danish Margueritruten and the Swiss Grand Route ... put them into own systems? I think it's also similar to the TCH system... Virtually one route with different segments.
OK, you've convinced me here.
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: michih on April 26, 2020, 10:15:56 am
:)

I think the system names should be chegr + dnkmr, not chetr + dnktr.
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: si404 on April 26, 2020, 10:42:49 am
I think the system names should be chegr + dnkmr, not chetr + dnktr.
yes - I said as much upthread!

But surely it's chegts, not chegr, as the route is GTS? ;)
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: michih on April 26, 2020, 11:11:51 am
Overview:

chegts - Switzerland Grand Tour of Switzerland (michih) reviewer: t.b.d.
dnkmr - Denmark Margueritruten (michih) reviewer: t.b.d.
eurtr - Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes (si404, michih) reviewer(s): t.b.d.
norntv - Norway Nasjonale Turistveger (michih) reviewer: si404
sctntr - Scotland National Tourist Routes (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
Title: Re: eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes
Post by: michih on August 17, 2020, 02:23:41 pm
I've added the Deutsche Alpenstraße: https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=deuby.dtalpstr&cr (available with the next site update)
It starts at Lake Constance, leads along the border between Bavaria and Austria to end at Königssee. It covers some new mileage on district roads (Lindau, Immenstadt, Bayrischzell - Oberaudorf, Nußdorf - Frasdorf, Aschau - Bernau) and closes a gap where B307 crosses the Austrian border east of Sylvenstein Dam.