Asia-Pacific Master Thread (UNESCAP / ESCWA)

[si404]

(work in progress)
Phase 1 (tier 1/2):

• asisf - Asia Select Named Freeways? (catch all for places with only a few routes and no numbering?)
• ausm - Australia Motorways
• aussf - Australia Select Freeways
• chng - China National Expressways  (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
• China Provincial Expressways
• hgkrt - Hong Kong Routes
• twnf - Taiwan National Freeways (One China policy of both Chinese Governments means Taiwan is a province of China, though a de facto independent state as the only place the other Government controls).
• 20-odd other systems that are unlikely to all get done as sprawling and dense networks
• index - India National Expressways (Bickendan redrafting) reviewer: t.b.d.
• idnt - Indonesia Toll Expressways
• irnf - Iran Freeways
• irqf - Iraq Freeways
• jpne - Japan Kōsoku Jidōsha Kokudō
• jpntk - Japan Toshi Kōsokudōro
• korex - (South) Korea Expressways
• lkae - Sri Lanka Expressways
• myse - Malaysia Expressways
• nzlmot - New Zealand Motorways
• pakm - Pakistan Motorways
• phle - Philippines Expressways
• sgpex - Singapore Expressways
• vnmct - Vietnam Cao Toc (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.

Phase 2 (international systems):

• asiah - UNESCAP / ASEAN Asian Highways (AFG, ARM, AZE, BRN, CHN (HL, JL, LN, NM, XJ), GEO, IRN, KAZ, KGZ, KOR, LKA, MNG, MYS, PAK, RUS, SGP, TJK, TKM, TUR, UZB)
• asiahp - UNESCAP / ASEAN Asian Highways (for review) (CHN (BJ, GS, HE, TJ), IDN, JPN, KHM, LAO, MMR, THA, VMN) (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
• asiahp - UNESCAP / ASEAN Asian Highways (for preview) - (BGD, CHN (AH, GD, GX, GZ, HA, HB, HN, JS, JX, QH, SH, XZ, YN, ZJ), NPL, PRK) (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
• asiahp - UNESCAP / ASEAN Asian Highways (for preview) - IND (si404 - Bickendan redrafting)
• asiaho - UNESCAP / ASEAN Asian Highways (outlined) - (AH17, AH21, AH25, AH26, AH112, AH150 (part), AH151) (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
• asim - ESCWA Arab Mashreq International Road Network - (Bahrain, Egypt (M40, M50, M67), Jordan, Kuwait, Palestine (including Israel), Qatar) (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
• asimo - ESCWA Arab Mashreq International Road Network (outlined) - (Egypt (M60, M65, M75), Iraq, Lebanon, Oman, Saudi Arabia, Syria, Yemen) (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.

Phase 3 (national systems - incomplete list):

• afgnh - Afghanistan National Highways
• aree - United Arab Emirates Emirates Routes
• armm - Armenia Magistrale
• azem - Azerbaijan Magistrale
• ausa - Australia A Roads
• ausn - Australia N Roads
• ausab - Australia A Roads (Bannered)
• ausnb - Australia N Roads (Bannered)
• ausr - Australia Ring Roads
• ausstr - Australia Strategic Touring Routes (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
• bgdn - Bangladesh National Highways
• btnnh - Bhutan National Highways
• chng3 - China Guodao
• cism - Central Asian doroga nacional'nogo znacenija
• geos - Georgia Sakartvelo Roads
• idnn - Indonesia Jalan Nasional (Java, Bali and Sumatra only?)
• indnh - India National Highways (Bickendan) reviewer: t.b.d.
• irnh - Iran Highways
• irqh - Iraq Highways
• jpn - Japan National Highways
• kaza - Kazakhstan Main Roads
• kgzem - Kyrgyzstan ЭМ Roads
• khmn - Cambodia National Roads
• kwtr - Kuwait Routes (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
• lkaa - Sri Lanka A Roads (si404) reviewer: michih (Done)
• mnga - Mongolia A roads
• mysf - Malaysia Federal Roads
• nplh - Nepal Highways (si404) reviewer: michih
• nzlsh - New Zealand State Highways
• nzltr - New Zealand Tourist Routes
• pakn - Pakistan National Highways
• qatq - Qatar National Roads
• rusm - Russia Moskva Roads
• rusr - Russia Regional Roads (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
• rusa - Russia Access Roads (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
• saun - Saudi Arabia National Highways
• tha? - Thailand national roads
• tjkrb - Tajikistan РБ Roads
• turd - Turkey Devlet Yolları
• vnmql - Vietnam Quoc Loc

Phase 4 (national state/provincial/territorial systems - incomplete list)

• ausnswb - New South Wales B Roads (si404) reviewer: Duke87
• ausntb - Northern Territory B Roads
• ausqld - Queensland State Higways
• ausqldmr - Brisbane Metroads
• aussab - South Australia B Roads
• austasb - Tasmania B Roads
• ausvicb - Victoria B Roads (si404) reviewer: Duke87
• auswa - Western Australia State Higways (si404)
• ausnt - Northern Territory Territorial Highways
• ausntc - Northern Territory C Roads
• austasc - Tasmania C Roads
• ausvicc - Victoria C Roads (si404) reviewer: Duke87
• ausvicmr - Melbourne Metropolitan Routes (si404) reviewer: Duke87
• ausnswtd - New South Wales Tourist Drives (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
• ausqldtd - Queensland Tourist Drives (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
• ausvictd - Victoria Tourist Drives (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
• auswatd - Western Australia Tourist Drives (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.
• indap - Andhra Pradesh State Highways
• indar - Arunachal Pradesh State Highways
• indas - Assam State Highways
• indbr - Bihar State Highways
• indct - Chhattisgarh State Highways
• indga - Goa State Highways
• indgj - Gujarat State Highways
• indhr - Haryana State Highways
• indhp - Hirmachal Pradesh State Highways
• indjh - Jarkhand State Highways
• indka - Karnataka State Highways
• indkl - Kerala State Highways
• indmp - Madhya Pradesh State Highways
• indmh - Maharashtra State Highways
• indmn - Manipur State Highways
• indmg - Meghalaya State Highways
• indmz - Mizoram State Highways
• indnl - Nagaland State Highways
• indor - Odisha State Highways
• indpb - Punjab State Highways
• indrj - Rajasthan State Highways
• indsk - Sikkim State Highways
• indtn - Tamil Nadu State Highways
• indtg - Telangana State Highways
• indtr - Tripura State Highways
• indut - Uttarakhand State Highways
• indup - Uttar Pradesh State Highways
• indwb - West Bengal State Highways (Bickendan) reviewer: t.b.d.
• nzlrr - New Zealand Regional Roads (si404) reviewer: t.b.d.

[michih]

Algeria is not Asia-Pacific
Sri Lanka is missing.

[panda80]

Thailand? I have some mileage there...

[si404]

Thailand? I have some mileage there...

As do I, but mine is not clinch-able yet (and is unlikely to be this decade). You can preview Asian Highways in Thailand, however, and add any mileage there.

[michih]

Are there any national systems ready for peer-review? Which are less painful, e.g. only routes with numbered exits like korex?

[Duke87]

If no one has taken on Australia I could start working on that next (now that Iceland is "done").

It should definitely be split into subregions, though.

[si404]

I believe Bickendan made a start by drafting Highway 1. For that reason, I didn't begin drafting the system to keep me awake* while listening to the Ashes this winter (though I was glad I slept through most of the humilating parts). I plan on working on NZL state highways to keep me awake during the 2-test series in late March.

Sub-regions for Australia are set up already.

One big problem with this system is that they have transitioned to alphanumeric numbering, but Western Australia isn't doing it and Northern Territory is still in transitioning. ACT doesn't generally number its roads. Also status isn't linked to number and the prefixes on the alphanumeric numbering change with status (M, A, B) so routes might be many files just because some parts are freeway, other parts aren't, some parts receive national funding (and are thus 'National Highway'), others don't (but are still part of the national network as 'National Routes'). It's all a bit of a mess.

*when play is through the night UK time.

[si404]

This is the most annoying thing from what I can make out: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Highways_in_Australia#Route_numbering_systems

Basically other than ACT and NSW doing stuff the same, every state and territory does things differently. Some keep special shields for National Highways, others have special shields for each type of route, some have no shields.

Ideally this would be the split, but the other stuff complicates it and this format would have issues in any state:
Motorways (roads with M prefixes) - tier 1
National Highways (roads with A prefixes) - tier 3 (continental system)
National Routes (roads with B prefixes) - tier 4 (national system)
State Routes - tier 5 (subnational system)

However it really doesn't work like that. Most states have National Routes as A roads (occasionally A or B, depending on how they feel) without the special shields (or with different shields) that National Highways have. NSW/ACT doesn't seem to have any distinction between the two systems.

[michih]

If no one has taken on Australia I could start working on that next (now that Iceland is "done").

What's about peer-reviews? We currently have 60(!) systems in preview.

Talking about Asia-Pacific, I thought about reviewing index and jpne next. You could review chng or asiahr et cetera. There are also some systems in USA/CAN and Europe left...

And there's already an Australia thread.

[Duke87]

If someone has already claimed it I won't step on their toes - the OP suggested it was unclaimed.

WRT peer review... you have a point, although I hesitate to go reviewing routes in a jurisdiction I have little familiarity with. Let me dig through and see what systems need review that no one has claimed.

[michih]

If someone has already claimed it I won't step on their toes - the OP suggested it was unclaimed.

The OP indicates the official HB status but Bickendan has not yet submitted any file... I think you should ask Bickendan if he still wants to develop the system or if he can upload the files to GitHub and you can go ahead with drafting routes.

btw: I don't claim chng nor asiahr

WRT peer review... you have a point, although I hesitate to go reviewing routes in a jurisdiction I have little familiarity with. Let me dig through and see what systems need review that no one has claimed.

According to what is indicated on the site....

Some experienced users volunteer to help the project. If this interests you, start by reporting problems with existing highway data. Those who have learned the project's structure and highway data rules and guidelines can help greatly by providing review of new highway systems in development. Highly experienced users can learn how to plot new highway systems under the guidance of experienced contributors.

[Duke87]

Yes I've read that passage before. Maybe I'm taking this more seriously than others, but I see peer reviewing a system as not merely checking for things like that waypoint labeling follows guidelines or that intersections line up - but also as doing a thorough check that the routes in the HB match what is signed in the field / what is officially correct on paper as applicable.

I wouldn't even know where to begin doing that kind of check on chng since I have never been to China, I can't read Chinese writing, and there is no GMSV in China. I could check that what's drafted matches Google Maps or OSM, but I can't check it against primary sources and therefore cannot vouch for its accuracy. Would prefer someone more familiar with China handle (I recognize we may not have any such person "on staff").

I'm reviewing zafn and comfortable doing that because although I have never been to South Africa either, there is GMSV of all the major roads and the signs are all in English (although for this purpose I'd be fine with any language using the Latin alphabet and could swing Greek or Cyrillic if need be). This is sufficient for me to be reasonably confident that what I am signing off on is an accurate representation of reality on the ground.

[si404]

Would prefer someone more familiar with China handle (I recognize we may not have any such person "on staff").

We don't AFAICS - it's one of many reasons why the system isn't ready for review, even though it's in preview (note that Michael!). I drafted routes to the best of my ability, but I was reliant on finding a latin-alphabet map service for word-based name labels (thankfully most were exit numbers or numbered routes).

That, and the snapshot of routes is about 3 winters out of date, so there's going to be about 10,000km not included... 

I've not been keeping Japan up-to-date (there's not much to add there though - more like 100km), and the Philippines had so much conflicting information that I just picked one set and stuck with it - it looks like I will have to revisit that system and redo it now more information is available.

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zaf's fine for review. Though it will probably be quite a bit of work as I didn't check to see whether road numbers are signed (often just glad to have a point I could label!), and various routes are very long. It was quite a tedious system to create in places.

[michih]

(note that Michael!)

Hard to know when there is no info and no response...................

[michih]

but I can't check it against primary sources

I think our primary source is OSM, isn't it?