Spain Carretera Nacionales (espn) + Regional Routes (tier 5)

[si404]

That's my question. Did you revise everything

I believe so (there might be some EX108 typos and EX109 didn't save issues), other than this:

Since these are not TM relevant borders (which should be labeled ARA/BIZ rathar than Ara/Biz et cetera), we could also just take the name of the other route. For instance, A623 wp Ara/Biz could be renamed to BI623.

Because they are not TM-relevant, they get lower case border names (cf county / city boundaries endpoints in the states. Oh, and espga). I've gone with keeping the border labels, rather than using the continuation road number.

But as you won't go through it again, what you are saying is that you are done with reviewing them...

Activate imnb, jeyb and nirb first.

Well, obviously (had already set that up), but I feel like a flurry (or perhaps an autumnal fall. ) of new systems in the next few days given Jim's gripe about too many preview systems!

[michih]

But as you won't go through it again, what you are saying is that you are done with reviewing them...

When you believe that you don't have missed anything, go ahead and activate all pending esp systems! If you bring the small espga system to preview soon, I might review it the next few days so that we can also activate it very soon. Just to complete the whole Spanish affairs

given Jim's gripe about too many preview systems!

Not just Jim's

[si404]

So state of play after my next pull will be as follows:

Active systems
Previously active: espan, espct
Newly active: espar, espnc, esppv, espri, espvc

Preview systems
Undergoing final checks: espas, espcb, espcl, espcm, espcn, espex, espmc
Review to be processed: espib, espmd
Review to be given: espga

[si404]

I couldn't find km posts with "A-5R".

Here's one. I'll have a think about adding it.

A40:
Needs a new wp west of A14/A21

You mean 'M', not 'A'. I don't think it's need as it's just a ramp, but I'll add it anyway.

[si404]

M45x:
Is it really concurrent to M50?

Bizarre, but true.

I will need to rejig - M45 is only on the inner carriageways, with M50 on all 4.

M603:
wp for M40 missing

You'd be hard pushed to join M40 there, and find it even harder to go the other way. Yes they built a roundabout over the freeway and didn't connect it up, nor provide the possibility of connection.

[michih]

M603:
wp for M40 missing

You'd be hard pushed to join M40 there, and find it even harder to go the other way. Yes they built a roundabout over the freeway and didn't connect it up, nor provide the possibility of connection.

[michih]

Don't we need update entries for the former eursf routes in esppv?

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3101/commits/8ea02c51c76a183452fcac24acd7276e486c4b3c

[si404]

Don't we need update entries for the former eursf routes in esppv?

Why? They've not been added, deleted, renamed, extended, truncated or relocated. There's zero effect on list files.

[michih]

Don't we need update entries for the former eursf routes in esppv?

Why? They've not been added, deleted, renamed, extended, truncated or relocated. There's zero effect on list files.

Sorry, I thought that almost all former eursf routes have been extended and didn't expect that all in esppv didn't change.

However, the espex.n523 update entry is wrong (name and link in updates.csv).

[michih]

Concurrencies:    FINE
NMPs:             FINE
Add eursf routes: Route b/n AP9 exit 168 and A55 exit 17 might be added
source:           https://infraestruturasemobilidade.xunta.gal/seccion-organizacion/c/Axencia_Galega_de_Infraestruturas?content=Direccion_Xeral_Infraestruturas/Estradas/seccion.html
source check:     DONE, see subsequently

Why are some "Vía de Alta Capacidade" (VAC) in espa system and some in espga system? I've only checked that you didn't miss a route but not how they are signed. Are all espa routes blue and all espga routes red (or green*)? Do I need to check it in detail?
*Which is odd but I've seen that some espga routes are signed green!?


AC523:
AC400_Vei is off
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.267513&lon=-8.409774
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.263827&lon=-8.413199
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.234210&lon=-8.465146
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.228196&lon=-8.466133
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.167014&lon=-8.415098


AC524:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.077007&lon=-8.391860
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.075855&lon=-8.395459
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.074876&lon=-8.402256


AC542:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.265738&lon=-8.234240
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.209162&lon=-8.317273
N6 -> NVI


AC543:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.873016&lon=-8.584732 for AG56 exit 3
AG56_W is off -> should be at AC543, not one wp with CG1.5/AG56


AC544:
New wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.878429&lon=-8.676115 for AG56 exit 10
AC447/448 -> AC447_E ?
AC447 -> AC447_W


AC550:
DP2308 is off
AldPed is off
Lira -> AldMin
DP5303 is off
+X130849 is off
CamPraCoi is off
AC310_S is off
DP7101 is off
DP7102 is off
DP7103 is off


AC552:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.316365&lon=-8.491302
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.303788&lon=-8.514276
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.255170&lon=-8.553784
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.253531&lon=-8.557301
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.230211&lon=-8.664734
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.228218&lon=-8.675627
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.206863&lon=-8.696290
DP0507 is off
AC416 is off
AG55(49) is off
+X541867 is off


AC554:
AC550_N -> AC550_W
AC550_S -> AC550_E


AC563:
AC564 is off


AC564:
AC141 is off


AC566:
DP2201 is off
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.524235&lon=-8.186510
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.550955&lon=-8.173710


AC840:
DP6301 is off
DP3201 source? OSM indicates DP3202, GM/GSV nothing
AC234 is off
ZasRei is off
AC192_S is off
AC191 is off
N6 -> NVI


AC841:
AG59 should be extended to this AG59 wp


AC861:
AveGal -> AveLugo_W
+X346656 is off
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.443062&lon=-7.855777


AC862:
Lug/Cor is off
AC100 is off
DP6104 is off
CG1.3 -> CG1.3_Lad
DP6111 -> DP4402 (OSM and GSV)
ToCG1.3 -> CG1.3(33)
DP4901 is off
AC125 is off
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.508962&lon=-8.146673
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.516582&lon=-8.153559
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.515094&lon=-8.173200
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.495359&lon=-8.205639


AG57N (espa route):
Extends to PO325 according to the official list


CG1.3:
AC101 ->
ToAC862 -> 33
Move AC862 to AC862 wp
AC862 -> AC862_Lad (extension u/c or planned, more A862 wps expected)


CG1.5:
+X407688 is off
AG56 is off, should be at CG1.5/AG56, not one wp with AC543


CG2.2:
22 is off (and has an alt label)
ToLU546_Sar is off
ToLU546_Sar -> 26
ToLU546_Our -> 31
LU546 -> 34
LU644 -> 38
LU652 -> 43
ToLU546_Mon -> 50
LUP3202 -> 52
VG2.1 -> 54
A6 -> A6/A54
CG2,2 -> CG2.2 (csv files)


CG2.3:
ToLU862 -> LU862_Par


LU530:
OSM and GM suggest that it extends into Lugo, confirmed by the official list (I've not checked GSV)
LU106_W is off
LUP1201 is off
LUP1906 is off
+X166234 is off


LU533:
+X417944 is off
LU617_N is off
LU617_W is off
OSM and GM suggest that it extends into Chantada, confirmed by the official list (I've not checked GSV)


LU536:
+X769850 is off
CG2.2 is off


LU539:
LU862 is off
LU540 is off


LU540:
LUP2212 is off
LU172_E is off
LU117_N is off


LU546:
LUP1611 is off
LU614_N is off
+X972052 is off
LU614_S is off
LUP5710 is off
LU633 is off and should be split into 2 wps
ToCG2.2_Sar -> CG2.2(26)
ToCG2.2_Our -> CG2.2(31)
LU108_N is off
LU108_S -> CG2.2(34)
LU611 is off
ToCG2.2_Mon -> ToCG2.2(50)
LU109_S is off


LU861:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.306896&lon=-7.664112
A6 -> A8


LU862:
LUP2601 is off
ToCG2.3 -> CG2.3_Par
LUP6606 -> LUP2607 (OSM+GM)
+X248973 is off
LUP6405 is off


OU504:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.344478&lon=-8.119326


OU525:
Should exist from A-52 exit 210 to A-52 exit 224 but is still signed on June 2018 GSV (and in HB) as N-525.
The official Ourense list indicates, that it was rededicated in January 2019:

Estradas incorporadas por transferencia a prol da Xunta no 2019:
11/01/2019 OU-525 Treito: Saída 210 (A-52) (pk 219,10) - Saída 224 (A-52) (pk 233,08)

OU531:
+X432602 is off
OU162_S is off
OU540_S is off
OU131_E is off


OU533:
+X867227 is off
+X779373 is off


OU536:
OU0507 is off
Move OU537 to the center of the roundabout
OU0105 is off
Esg -> RuaSanXoan
OU0106 is off
+X356014 is off
OU0705 is off


OU538:
Move OU105 to the center of the roundabout
Move OU0514 to the center of the roundabout


OU540:
OU1207 is off
OU312 is off
OU301 is off
OU301 -> OU301/411 ?
Bar -> ToAG31(10) ?
OU0203 is off
GSJ @ Rua dos Ponxos http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.321295&lon=-7.878318


OU801:
Pon/Our is off
OU904 is off
OU904 -> OU904_N
OU402_N -> OU402
OU402_S -> OU904_S
Ou193 -> OU193
OU412 is off


PO510:
PO399_W is off
PO402 -> PO400 or PO400/402 ?


PO531:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.508987&lon=-8.674414
MonChan = Monte Chan indicated on OSM? GSV indicates Parque empresarial Vilanova I, in addition Baion from the south, I'd prefer ParEmpVil
EP9508 is off
PO310 is off
AP9(129) -> AP9


PO532:
PO180_W is off
PO180_E is off
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.427490&lon=-8.628154


PO533:
PO212 is off
EP6106 is off
SGV3 source? I only see Rolda Leste
ToN640 -> RuaAre_N ?


PO534:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.570908&lon=-8.341488
EP7202 is just an underpass and it's not a GSJ
+X637698 is off
AP53 is off
Move PO902 to the center of the roundabout


PO548:
EP8701 is off
Move VG4.7 to the center of the roundabout
RueMar -> RuaMar


PO550:
EP9509 -> EP9502
EP9303 is off
PO316 -> PO308 or PO308/316 ?
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.114341&lon=-8.840829
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.915523&lon=-8.833566
PO325 -> EstVao


PO551:
CG4.1 -> CG4.1/VG4.6 since both are in the same system and both are VAC routes


PO841:
Remove PO182_N
Remove PO182_S


VG1.3/AG13:
VG1.3 south of exit 6 should be AG-13 according to the official A Coruna list

VG-1.3 VAC Veigue (AC-163) - O Castelo (AG-13) 6km
AG-13 VAC O Castelo (VG-1.3) - Santa María de Vigo (A-6) 2,03km

Construction works for the southern extension began in August 2019 and should be completed within 36 months
1 is off
3 is off


VG4.3:
PO528/529 -> 7
PO530 -> 4
PO549 -> 1


VG4.4:
EP0019 -> 4
PO313 -> 8
EP1202 is off
EP1202 -> 10


VG4.7:
PO305 -> 5


VG4.8:
EP0017 -> 2



espga review done! LAST ONE

[michih]

Have you already dealt with this:

General issue in Spain:
There are different names for Avenues: Avenida and Avinguda. Do we generally wanna Av, or Ave and Avi? It's currently mixed:
Ave is used 278 x
Avi is used 65 x
Av is used 41 x

I've not checked all systems but I think that you've decided that CT and VC should have Avi and other regions Ave?

[si404]

Have you already dealt with this:

Yes, a while ago, IIRC.

I've not checked all systems but I think that you've decided that CT and VC should have Avi and other regions Ave?

IIRC, I went with whatever OSM has - so that seems about right as that's the language divide (though Catalan and Valencian are nominally different languages!). IB might be Avi then.

[michih]

I looked into it.

PV has 3x Ave and 1x Avi
CT has 2x Ave and 54x Avi
IB has 1x Ave and 3x Avi


...\ESP-PV\esppv\esppv.bi625.wpt
Line 14: AviSanEst http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.247219&lon=-2.889045
OSM indicates Avenida San Esteban

...\ESP-CT\espct\espct.c058.wpt
Line 19: AveBar http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.557897&lon=1.982614
OSM indicates Avinguda de Barcelona

...\ESP-CT\espct\espct.c059.wpt
Line 4: AveOnzeSet http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=41.532178&lon=2.196794
OSM indicates Avinguda de I'Onze de Stembre

...\ESP-IB\espa\espib.ma019.wpt (2 hits)
Line 1: AveGabVil +AvGavVil http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.564452&lon=2.656524


VC has 30x Ave and 19x Avi
Should all be Avi or have you checked each wp whether OSM indicates Ave or Avi?

[michih]

I think that the state of play is now:

Active systems
Previously active: espan, espct
Newly active: espar, espas, espcb, espcl, espcm, espcn, espex, espmc, espmd, espnc, esppv, espri, espvc

Preview systems
Undergoing final checks: -
Review to be processed: espga, espib


Note to the latest update entries:
TF5 link doesn't work
MP203 might get the link to M206

[michih]

@Si: What's the story behind espga split? I also thought that the VAC routes might be a different system. But eursf?

Have a look on the box at the bottom of this wikipedia article.
The AG routes (and LU-21 + PO-010) are called "Autoestradas e autovías" --> espa (tier 1)
The "Rede primaria básica" are our espga system (tier 5)
The CG and VG routes (you wanna put into eursf) are also called "Vías rápidas e corredores" and appear to be "in-between". The same in the official lists were they are called ""Vía de Alta Capacidade".
I suggest an own tier 2 system for these espga routes like pols, autb, svnh,...!

Note to the latest update entries:
MP203 might get the link to M206

Why not?