canqc: Quebec Provincial Highways

[si404]

QC230: fine

QC231:
 - add point for RuePri (leads to QC229 point at north end of town)

QC232: fine

QC233: fine

QC234: fine

QC235:
 - BoulInd -> CheCot
 - RteMic -> RteMic_N

QC236:
 - ChStLou -> ChStLou_N

QC237: fine

QC239:
 - ChStHya -> ChStHya_S

QC241: fine

QC243: fine

QC245:
 - RteNicAus -> ChNicAus?

QC247: fine

QC249: fine

QC251:
 - RuePri_E -> ChStJac?
 - CheStIsi -> RuePri_E?

QC253: fine

QC255:
 - CoteSab -> ChSandHill
 - RueChe -> RueDes

QC257: fine

QC259: fine

[oscar]

Some notes on QC 117 and QC 391, from my travels earlier today:

-- There is a short paved and open QC 117 detour east of Malartic, which OSM shows as unopened. This is explicitly signed as a detour. I would ignore it.

-- QC 391's north end is still at waypoint QC117 (which will need to be renamed, with QC 117 moved to a northern bypass, which I confirmed and drove). I drove a possible northward extension of QC 391, which would re-connect it to QC 117. But no signage or other info to show that QC 391's north end has been changed.

[si404]

QC261:
 - BoulBec_E -> AvCen?
 - ChLouRiel -> ChLouRiel_S

QC263:
 - Rang3 -> 3eRang?
 - add points either end of the shortcut through Saint-Norbert-D'Arthabaska
 - add point to corrispond with RteStLou at the other end (also QC162)

QC265:
 - Rang16 -> 16eRang?

QC267: fine

QC269: fine

QC271: fine

QC273: fine

QC275:
 - 15eRue_S -> 15eAv_S
 - RueEgl -> RuePieBea?

QC276:
 - TsseFle -> RueFle

QC277: fine

QC279: fine

QC281: fine

QC283: fine

QC285: fine

QC287:
 - TvseStePer -> RueChe?
 - ChRivLoup -> ChMonk?

QC289: fine

QC291:
 - RueGare -> RuePri?

QC293:
 - Ch7Rang -> ChCan

QC295:
 - add point for RangSoc_E (given there's a hidden point there anyway)

QC296: fine

QC297:
 - RteLacMal -> RteBoby?

QC298: fine

QC299:
 - reverse (route is listed north to south, other routes south to north)
 - move RelCac to nearby RteCau, as that's actually a road

[si404]

QC301 - fine

QC303 - fine

QC307
 - ChSav check name

QC309
 - OSM has a detour route near ChLaj. Check. Perhaps add points at either end?
 - Point for Rue du Pont in Mont-Laurier (leads to QC117/TCH point)
 - RueLim_E -> PontPieNev or RuePor_W
 - needs shaping north of Ferme-Neuve
 - QC311_N is off

QC311 - fine (other than QC309_N)

QC315 - fine

QC317
 - RuePri -> RuePri_N

QC321 - fine

QC321Riv
 - RueAnn_S -> RueAnn

QC323
 - ChLacIles_N -> ChLacIles
 - add point serving Lac-des-Plages

QC325 - fine

QC327 - fine

QC329
 - ChHam and ChJac check names
 - add point for MteeAlo (leads to nearby A-15 interchange)
 - RuePri_E -> RuePri_W

QC333 - fine

QC335
 - add point for BoulCon in (leads to nearby A-15 and A-19 interchanges)
 - rename A-19_End after cross-street? The A-19 point is BoulDag (perhaps should be QC335_N)

QC337 - fine

QC338
 - add point for 69eAv (leads to adjacent A-20 exit 6)
 - add point for ChStDom (leads to A-20 exit 22)

QC339
 - QC125 -> QC125_S (or merge with A-25?)

QC340
 - add point for BoulCiteJeu_E as route turns and the Blvd leads to A-40 exit 45 as a main divided highway?

QC341 - fine

QC342
 - add point for MteeBST as leads to adjacent A-40 exit 6

QC343 - fine

QC344
 - does there need to be points on A-640 and this road for the single ramps off the autoroute and the corresponding points down those roads on the provincial highway?
 - add point at BoulRolDur as leads to A-640 exit 22?
 - add point at BoulGal as leads to A-640 exit 26

QC345
 - replace RueStTho with RueRos (leads to QC131 point) and ChStPie (leads to QC347 point)

QC346 - fine

QC347
 - add point for ChStDem (also QC131) as corresponds with ChSteEme

QC348 - fine

QC349
 - check labels RangChe and RteBar

[si404]

QC350 - fine

QC351
 - add point for AvMon as leads to A-55 exit 216?

QC352 - fine

QC354
 - add point for RteGui (also QC363) as leads to A-40 exit 250

QC358
 - add point for BoulLeb as leads to A-973 and A-740 exits

QC359 - fine

QC360
 - QC138_A, QC138_B, QC138_C, QC138_D -> QC138_Que, QC138_W, QC138_E, QC138_Che ?
 - add point for AvEst (leads to A-40 and A-440)
 - add point for AvBouRoy (leads to A-40)
 - replace RueCha with BoulFraLav (as more major and leads to A-440 and QC138)
 - add point for RueSei (leads to A-40)
 - add point for RueLab (leads to A-40)

QC361 - fine

QC362
 - move QC138 to overpass (also QC138)
 - add point for RtePort as leads to ferry?

QC363
 - replace hidden point in Saint-Marc-des-Carriers with point at RueBou

QC364 - fine

QC365 - fine

QC366
 - *OldA-5_S should be the label of the missing corresponding point on the surface road. Add that, and relabel current point
 - A-5_End -> ChMacLar (matches QC105 label). Relabel A-5 point there (currently QC366_E) ChMacLar or QC105/336

QC367
 - RueLes is off OSM

QC368 - fine

QC369
 - perhaps change some points to be on more major nearby roads
 - add point for RueEliII
 - add point for AvBouRoy, RueSei and BoulRay (lead to A-40 exits)

QC370 - fine

QC371 - fine

QC372 - fine

QC373
 - cf issue with QC169 and it switching directions between the two QC373 points, and apply to the _N and _S labels.

QC381 - fine

QC382 - fine

QC385 - fine

QC386
 - 7eAv -> 7eAv_W (also QC397)

QC388 - fine

QC389
 - a few points in the middle of nowhere named after hydrological features or businesses. are these necessary?

QC390
 - are RivDag and RivLois points necessary?

QC391
 - QC117 -> BoulRid

QC393 - fine

QC395
 - point for 1reAv in Amos (links to QC109/QC111 point)

QC397 - fine

QC399 - fine

[oscar]

QC309
 - OSM has a detour route near ChLaj. Check. Perhaps add points at either end?

Checked it out, looks from Données Quebec like a temporary detour rather than a permanent route change. But I'll add points at both ends of the detour, with the northern one probably ResFau2 (for Reserve Faunique route 2).

Rechecking the shorter detour on TCH/QC117 east of Malartic, which I had previously dismissed as a temporary detour, it looks from Donées Quebec more like a permanent route change. But unlike the QC 309 detour, the QC 117 detour/route change stays within lateral tolerance of the existing route as TM maps it. I'd still be inclined to ignore the QC 117 change. Something like that happened near where I live, on US 1 near Fort Belvoir, Virginia. @mapmikey made no change to that route file, apparently treating that realignment as too minor since no new or relocated waypoints were needed. I agree with that outcome, and would do same for QC 117, as nice as it was that I traveled the slightly-relocated new US 1 and QC 117 alignments.

[oscar]

QC391
 - QC117 -> BoulRid

That's what I expected from the FIN 391 sign I saw at that intersection less than two months ago. However, Données Quebec now puts the north end of 391 south of downtown, stopping about 0.09 mile short of the Av. Turpin intersection. I could use the AvTur intersection as the endpoint. rather than End or BoulTem_N at my eyeball guess of where DQ puts the endpoint, since a cross-street is a much clearer endpoint than End or BoulTem_N. But I'll go with End instead.

QC335
 - add point for BoulCon in (leads to nearby A-15 and A-19 interchanges)
 - rename A-19_End after cross-street? The A-19 point is BoulDag (perhaps should be QC335_N)

I previously changed QC335_N to BoulDag in the A-19 file, and will do same for QC 335. As hinted above, I have a strong preference for cross-streets as waypoint labels, unless there is no good cross-street or boundary to use (which perhaps is the QC 391 situation).

As vdeane pointed out upthread, I need to also break the pseudo-concurrency between QC 335 and A-440, like I did for A-10/55 and QC 112.

[vdeane]

That's what I expected from the FIN 391 sign I saw at that intersection less than two months ago. However, Données Quebec now puts the north end of 391 south of downtown, stopping about 0.09 mile short of the Av. Turpin intersection. I could use the AvTur intersection as the endpoint. rather than End or BoulTem_N at my eyeball guess of where DQ puts the endpoint, since a cross-street is a much clearer endpoint than End or BoulTem_N. But I'll go with End instead.

Given that Données Québec doesn't show locally maintained sections of road, that could easily just be the end of the part maintained by MTQ.  I think I'd keep the end where the Fin sign is, myself, unless we find other evidence of a change in endpoint.  Does Québec have any other reference information on where their routes are located?  It would be nice to not have to refer to the increasingly outdated (and no longer accessible to those who don't have the link) Atlas des transports for the locally maintained parts of the network.

[oscar]

Given that Données Québec doesn't show locally maintained sections of road, that could easily just be the end of the part maintained by MTQ. I think I'd keep the end where the Fin sign is, myself, unless we find other evidence of a change in endpoint.

There's lots of remnant signage in Rouyn-Noranda, including along Boul. Rideau and other bypassed TCH segments through downtown. So I wouldn't place a lot of weight on that FIN sign, though maybe enough to keep the 391 endpoint at BoulRid.

That also gets into whether Quebec has locally-maintained segments of provincial routes. that are included in the officially-defined routes. Atlas des Transports shows (FWIW) the segments between Boul. Rideau and Av. Turpin under the same "collectrice" classification as the rest of QC 391, while QC 101/117 is shown as "nationale" (meaning, in Quebec, "provincial").

Does Québec have any other reference information on where their routes are located?  It would be nice to not have to refer to the increasingly outdated (and no longer accessible to those who don't have the link) Atlas des transports for the locally maintained parts of the network.

I'll have to ask around. It doesn't help that my French is weak enough that I have some trouble navigating the Transports Quebec site.

[vdeane]

I figured those classifications were the equivalent of functional classification (example viewer from NY).  If the locally maintained sections aren't (or no longer are) part of the provincial system (a change may well have happened, given that the new viewer doesn't show local sections), that would naturally affect a lot more than QC 391.  The basemap still shows them (barely), but it it's not as up to date as the actual data being mapped, so it's hardly authoritative on this.

[vdeane]

Looking at QC138Mon, it might be a good idea to revisit the points at the est end of the A-20 overlap.  It looks like the route configuration has changed since it was drafted, and with the Turcot project closer to completion, we might be closer to the final configuration.

[oscar]

Looking at QC138Mon, it might be a good idea to revisit the points at the est end of the A-20 overlap.  It looks like the route configuration has changed since it was drafted, and with the Turcot project closer to completion, we might be closer to the final configuration.

Thanx for the reminder of what a mess that is. I'm inclined to simplify the routing, to follow how the traffic will flow once all the construction is complete, which apparently will follow the straighter path westbound traffic already follows through the interchange.

[neroute2]

Stupid question: why is QC138Mon not the main segment?

[oscar]

Stupid question: why is QC138Mon not the main segment?

My wild guess is that it's because QC138Mon is only the second-longest segment of QC 138.

It does serve Quebec's capital and its largest metro area Montreal, while the "main" segment serves much less population. The "main" segment could be renamed QC138Bai or QC138Sep, for one of its two largest cities Baie-Comeau and Sept-Îles. But that would break at least two, and possibly four dozen, list files.

[michih]

Stupid question: why is QC138Mon not the main segment?

My wild guess is that it's because QC138Mon is only the second-longest segment of QC 138.

Yes, 520mi vs. 350mi.