Author Topic: blzar+blzd: Belize Roads (Read 32044 times)

si404 · « **on:** January 23, 2018, 05:05:36 pm »

Quote from: mapmikey on January 23, 2018, 02:58:24 pm

Hopefully these 4 highways will be put into TM someday.

Make the files and they will be.

I've deliberately ignored Latin America when expanding TM's coverage across the world because there's loads of collaborators for whom it's not across an ocean! Plus Eurasiafrica is enough to be getting on with.

mapmikey · « **Reply #1 on:** January 27, 2018, 04:06:54 pm »

Quote from: si404 on January 23, 2018, 05:05:36 pm

Make the files and they will be.

ok I have made files for 8 routes that made the most sense to me:

George Price Hwy
Northern Hwy
Old Northern Hwy
Hummingbird Hwy
Coastal Hwy
Southern Hwy
Progresso Rd
Burrell Boom Cut

Street names are hard to come by (no GMSV in Belize) even on multiple on-line maps, so some points are just the name of the community they lie in. There are a couple of VD errors for which there is no real place to put another point so they are False Positives in my view.

Anyway, now that the wpt files are created, who/where should I send them?

yakra · « **Reply #2 on:** January 28, 2018, 01:08:31 pm »

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Belize has just 4 highways (no numbering)

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made files for 8 routes

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mapmikey · « **Reply #3 on:** January 28, 2018, 01:23:12 pm »

The 4 highways statement came from the tour guide. These may be the only fully paved routes but without GMSV it is hard to know.

The 8 files I created come from looking at a map and deciding which roads made sense to include in a TM system. Future Belize travelers might suggest additional roads (though there aren't many more non-local short roads) and I would be happy to include them.

michih · « **Reply #4 on:** January 28, 2018, 02:06:47 pm »

Are the routes signed?

mapmikey · « **Reply #5 on:** January 28, 2018, 03:58:20 pm »

https://pbs.twimg.com/media/DSI9Z6GUMAAvCoV.jpg
https://i.pinimg.com/736x/d5/32/2e/d5322e308a6644a0340c839cdc860556--belize-vacations-planning.jpg

Progresso Rd is an amalgam of 3 roads of which Progresso-xxxx Rd is the name of 2 of them.

Not many google images out there to absolutely prove all are signed. It does appear the Burrell Boom Cut is paved throughout and the Old Northern Hwy (leads to one of the top tourist stops in Belize - Altun Ha) appears to have been paved but may not be getting the fullest maintenance anymore.

dharwood · « **Reply #6 on:** February 05, 2018, 09:30:34 am »

I am a highway engineer by profession and a fan of the Travel Mapping site. I also happen to be familiar with the road system in Belize.

The four main roads in Belize that are considered the primary highway system (with their road numbers and names) are listed below. They all have road numbers that start with AR. The Orange Walk bypass is also considered a primary road:

AR1   Western Highway (now known as the George Price Highway)
   from Belize City to the Guatemala border, 74.7 miles

AR2   Northern Highway (now known as the Philip Goldson Highway), from Belize City to the Mexico
border, 92.1 mi

AR2-B Orange Walk Bypass, from the Northern Highway at Mile 52 south of Orange Walk to the
     Northern Highway at Mile 56 north of Orange Walk, 4.7 mi

AR3   Hummingbird Highway, from Dandriga to the Western Highway at the edge of Belmopan,
55.2 mi

AR4   Southern Highway, from Mile 6 on the Hummingbird Highway to Punta Gorda, 100.4 mi

All of these primary roads are paved. In Belize, the road numbers are not posted on guide signs. The road names are shown on guide signs at major intersections, but not typically marked in between. The primary roads listed above are mileposted, but there is not always a milepost in the field every mile. (And, yes, Belize is one of the few countries, in addition to the U.S., that uses miles rather than kilometers.) I definitely recommend including the primary roads listed above.

There is one other road that is considered a primary road just for the 0.5 mi paved portion:

A5   Manatee Highway (also known as Coastal Highway), from the Western Highway south for 0.5
miles.

The rest of the Manatee/Coastal Highway south to the Hummingbird Highway is not a primary highway. It is an unpaved road, parts of which may be impassable at some times of year. I recommend not including any of the Manatee/Coastal Highway.

There is one important paved road in Belize that is not primary highway, but would be a strong candidate for inclusion because it serves a lot of through traffic. This is:

D200     Burrell Boom Road, from the roundabout on the Western Highway near Hattieville to the
Northern Highway at Mile 13.6, 11.8 miles. This is the most important of the nonprimary
roads. It provides a route from the Airport to the Western Highway (and points west and
south) without traveling the long way around through Belize City

I do not recommend including the Old Northern Highway (does not serve through traffic anymore; poor pavement condition) or the Progresso Road to Corazal (does not serve through traffic; not sure of pavement condition).

You commented that you had difficulty finding names for minor roads at intersections that you will be using as waypoints. If you send me the latitude and longitude for any intersection, I can probably give you either the name or number for the side road at that point.

mapmikey · « **Reply #7 on:** February 06, 2018, 07:48:07 pm »

dharwood · « **Reply #8 on:** March 27, 2018, 09:58:07 pm »

I couldn’t find street names for every point where you did not have them, but I found quite a few. In a couple of cases, I have suggested moving the waypoint to a nearby intersection for which I do have a name. So, for each highway, here’s your list annotated with new names where possible, followed by my take on what the waypoints for each road should be. The waypoints include every AR (national route) and D (district route) intersection. Except in one case (Benque Viejo del Carmen which is a key community), I have only included F (feeder road) or no-number road intersections where you had listed them. Waypoints are listed in the direction of increasing mileposts. Use my suggestions or not at your discretion. The road numbers I have given are how these roads are designated by the highway agency. The road numbers are NOT signed in the field.

George Price Highway (AR1)

StMat http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=17.277190&lon=-88.634045
I have no name for this intersection. I suggest moving the waypoint to an adjacent intersection called St. Matthew’s Farm Rd (F8009) at 17.277191,-88.660202

8MileCom http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=17.469066&lon=-88.293254
Ferguson Bank Rd (F2000)

Recommended Sequence of Waypoints for George Price Highway (AR1):
1.   Beginning of route/Belize City
2.   Ferguson Bank Rd (F2000) at 17.469066&lon=-88.293254
3.   Burrell Boom Rd (D200) at 17.46167, -88.39239
4.   Manatee Rd/Coastal Rd (AR5) at 17.34255, -88.55494
5.   St Matthews Farm Rd at 17.277191,-88.660202
6.   Hummingbird Hwy/Belmopan (AR3) at 17.2613, -88.7876
7.   Iguana Creek Bridge Rd (D907) at 17.2253, -88.9223
8.   Georgeville Rd (D903) at 17.1923, -88.9823
9.   Loma Luz Boulevard/Santa Elena at 17.16697, -89.05405
10.   Benque Viejo Road/San Ignacio at 17.15067, -89.07492
11.   Wyatt Street/Benque Viejo del Carmen at 17.07179, -89.13812
12.   Belize/Guatemala border

Philip Goldson Hwy (AR2)

BobEil http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=17.711703&lon=-88.448501
Washing Tree Rd (F250)

CroTreeAcc http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=17.774935&lon=-88.479915
Crooked Tree Rd (D253)

SanLuis http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=18.174947&lon=-88.577751
San Luis Rd #1 (F3004)

BueVis http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=18.235934&lon=-88.526124
Libertad-Buena Vista Rd (D440)

SanRom http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=18.296656&lon=-88.509258
San Roman-Narcisco Rd (F4501)

SanNar http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=18.310091&lon=-88.511210
San Narcisco-San Victor Rd (D431)

YoChen http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=18.356969&lon=-88.498593
Yo Chen-Pasqual Sugar Rd #2 (F4219); this is the name for the road to the east of the highway; don’t know the name for the road to the west; but this road to the east is the more important road

Pat http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=18.394926&lon=-88.477565
Corozal-Patchakan Rd (D410)

StaEle http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=18.484197&lon=-88.399819
no road name available; use the community name as you propose

Recommended Sequence of Waypoints for Philip Goldson Highway (AR2):
1.   Beginning of route/Belize City
2.   International Airport Rd (D202) at 17.5465, -88.2855
3.   Burrell Boom Rd (D200) at 17.58492, -88.34977
4.   Old Northern Highway (D250) at 17.64632, -88.37367
5.   Washing Tree Rd (F2505) at lat=17.711703&lon=-88.448501
6.   Crooked Tree Rd (D253) at lat=17.774935&lon=-88.479915
7.   Belize Rd (old Northern Highway through Orange Walk) at 18.0554, -88.5658
8.   Orange Walk-Progresso Road at 18.0843, -88.5494
9.   Otro Benque Road (old Northern Highway through Orange Walk) at 18.10985, -88.56152
10.   San Luis Rd #1 (F3004) at lat=18.174947&lon=-88.577751
11.   Libertad-Buena Vista Rd (D440) at lat=18.235934&lon=-88.526124
12.   San Roman-Narcisco Rd (F4501) at lat=18.296656&lon=-88.509258
13.   San Narcisco-San Victor Rd (D431) at lat=18.310091&lon=-88.511210
14.   Yo Chen-Pasqual Sugar Rd #2 (F4219) at lat=18.356969&lon=-88.498593
15.   Corozal-Patchakan Rd (D410) at lat=18.484197&lon=-88.399819
16.   Intersection at Santa Elena (no number) lat=18.484197&lon=-88.399819
17.   Belize/Mexico border

Hummingbird Hwy (AR3)

StMar http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=17.088139&lon=-88.613985
no road name available; use the community name as you propose

Mid http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=17.039420&lon=-88.523670
no road name available, but the point does not appear to be at an intersection; it looks like it would better be located at 17.040421,-88.524363

Mile25 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=17.002529&lon=-88.451528
no road name available; use the mile name as you propose

AltVis http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=16.990012&lon=-88.401232
no road name available; use the community name as you propose

Recommended Sequence of Waypoints for the Hummingbird Highway:
1.   Beginning of route/Dangriga at
2.   Southern Highway (AR4) at 16.98065, -88.29472
3.   Canada Hill Rd (D560) at 16.99703, -88.3022
4.   Melinda Rd (D500) at 17.00038, -88.30275
5.   Manatee Rd/Coastal Hwy (AR5) at 16.99816, -88.31503
6.   Alta Vista at 16.990012&lon=-88.401232
7.   Mile 25 at 17.002529&lon=-88.451528
8.   Middlesex at 17.040421,-88.524363
9.   Santa Marta at 17.088139&lon=-88.613985
10.   George Price Hwy/Belmopan (AR1) at 17.2613, -88.7876

Southern Hwy (AR4)

CatLan http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=16.120179&lon=-88.795018
no road name available; use the community name as you propose

BigFall http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=16.256195&lon=-88.885741
no road name available; use the community name as you propose

SpiFarm http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=16.362111&lon=-88.797078
no road name available; use the community name as you propose

MedBank http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=16.444012&lon=-88.744592
no road name available; use the community name as you propose

Bla http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=16.470352&lon=-88.625953
no road name available; use the community name as you propose

SanJuan http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=16.564346&lon=-88.514459
there is no intersection at this location; I suggest that you use Cowpen Bypass Road (D543) at 16.566617,-88.515796

SanRosa http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=16.665921&lon=-88.456094
no road name available; use the community name as you propose

MayaCen http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=16.796759&lon=-88.379618
Jaguar Reserve Road (F5218)

SilkGra http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=16.884064&lon=-88.340502
there is no intersection here; I suggest that you use Commerce Bight Rd #1 (F5224) at 16.886806,-88.339194

Recommended Sequence of Waypoints for the Southern Highway (AR4):
1.   Beginning of route/Punta Gorda
2.   CatLan at 16.120179&lon=-88.795018
3.   Carib Reserve Rd (D700) at 16.13419, -88.84419
4.   San Felipe Rd (D701) at 16.15738, -88.88655
5.   San Antonio Rd (D723) at 16.22812, -88.93911
6.   BigFall at 16.256195&lon=-88.885741
7.   SpiFarm at 16.362111&lon=-88.797078
8.   MedBank at 16.444012&lon=-88.744592
9.   Bla at 16.470352&lon=-88.625953
10.   Cowpen Bypass Rd (D780) at 16.566600,-88.515196
11.   Monkey River Rd (D781) at 16.50509, -88.49658
12.   Independence Rd (D541) at 16.53265, -88.47482
13.   Cowpen Bypass Rd (D543) at 16.56664, -88.51518; NOTE: This road is called D780 in the Toledo District, but changes number to D543 in the Stann Creek District
14.   Red Bank Village Rd (D544) at 16.60467, -88.51291
15.   Georgetown Maya Mopan Rd (D545) at 16.64162, -88.49263
16.   SanRosa at 16.665921,-88.456094
17.   Placencia Rd (D540) at 15.7062, -88.4246
18.   Jaguar Reserve Rd (F5218) at lat=16.796759&lon=-88.379618
19.   Sittee River Rd (D521) at 16.83055, -88.36434
20.   Hopkins Village Rd (D526) at 16.85474, -88.34616
21.   Commerce Bight Rd (F5224) at 16.886806,-88.339194
22.   Canada Hill Rd #1 (D561) at 16.97780, -88.29723
23.   Hummingbird Hwy (AR3)

Burrell Boom Rd (D200)

BurBoom_S http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=17.559747&lon=-88.404842
No road name available; use community name as you propose

BurBoom_N http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=17.569930&lon=-88.387172
Bermudian Landing Rd (D251) at

Recommended Sequence of Waypoints for the Burrell Boom Rd:
1.   George Price Hwy (AR1) at 17.46167, -88.39239
2.   BurBoom_S at 17.559747,-88.404842
3.   Bermudian Landing Rd (D251) at lat=17.569930&lon=-88.387172
4.   Philip Goldson Hwy (AR2) at 17.58492, -88.34977

mapmikey · « **Reply #9 on:** March 29, 2018, 06:30:05 am »

Thank you so much for your information. I will work on revising the files this weekend...

Jim · « **Reply #10 on:** April 06, 2018, 10:56:56 pm »

Two new devel systems are part of the site update in progress right now. Four routes in blzar and one in blzd.

One note: it looks like some waypoint labels use BZE rather than BLZ at international borders.

If the devel routes look good, I expect we'll put these systems to preview this weekend.

mapmikey · « **Reply #11 on:** April 07, 2018, 10:25:23 am »

I have changed in my files the BZE references in the 2 routes that reach a border.

I will submit the updated files after receiving any other feedback on the 5 routes.

Note for whoever does the peer review: there are some segments with no discernible roads within the 10 mile guideline; also in a few instances a community's name is the waypoint as there was no named road available. Road names were established/confirmed in dharwood's post from March 27.

Jim · « **Reply #12 on:** April 07, 2018, 05:04:57 pm »

This system will be at preview with tonight's update.

dharwood · « **Reply #13 on:** April 08, 2018, 04:58:24 pm »

Belize looks great! I have one comment. For Route AR4, you listed the name of the road in the Highway Browser as Coastal Highway. It should be Southern Highway.

dharwood · « **Reply #14 on:** April 08, 2018, 05:07:13 pm »

Belize: I may have posted a note in the wrong place, since Belize is now activated. I hope this is the right place.

Belize looks great! Route AR4 has been listed in the Highway Browser as Coastal Highway. This should be Southern Highway.

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si404

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mapmikey

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yakra

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michih

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Jim

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Belize: Road name for AR4