usaar: Arkansas state highways

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US 62: HoltRd -> CR78?
US 62: CR28 -> MockSt?
US 62: CR27 -> DouSprRd?
US 62: AR12/94 -> AR94_W or AR12_E (AR94_E is also signed for AR12/94)
US 62: PraRd -> OldLibRd
US 62: RebLn is in the wrong place. Recommend moving southeast to CR107 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.444908&lon=-93.823355 , a slightly more important road.
US 62: move CR208 slightly west to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.441814&lon=-93.787140
US 62: CR302 -> RockHouRd
US 62: PubSq -> ChuSt? Or if the name for those two half blocks is PubSq, move it south 1/2 block
US 62: AR21_N -> AR21/221?
US 62: AR980 -> AR980Har? there's another 980 intersection
US 62/412: CarLn -> CarDr?
US 62/412: AR178 -> AR178_W
US 62/412: EastMainSt -> OldHwy62E
US 62/412: CR724 -> CR7024
US 62/412: ArkRd -> OldArkRd
US 62/412: CraPtRd -> CraRd
US 62/412: PorCir -> PorCir_W? also needs shifting southwest
US 62/412: HandCoveRd -> HanRd
US 62/412: MilCreLn is off
US 62/412: FarmRd101 -> FM101Rd (might be named after a radio station?)
US 62: CorMunAir -> AR980Cor
US 62: US49 -> US49/1?

US 63: US82B -> US167(15), US167_N -> US167(16)
US 63: BolPurRd doesn't intersect; replace with BolPassRd at what OSM calls Romeo Road?
US 63: AR8_S -> AR8_E, AR8_N -> AR8_W
US 63: SteLp -> CR22?
US 63: ChaLn doesn't exist, at least not where shown
US 63/79: WabRd -> MagSt
US 63/79: SenLp -> SenLp_N?
US 63: AR226 -> 46, WasAve -> 47, AR91_S -> 49
US 63: PauSwiRd -> CR398
US 63/412: FreeSt -> CR511?
US 63: CR75 -> TallTimRd

US 64: AR162_W -> AR162, AR162_E -> AR162_W?
US 64: US64BusAlm_E -> US64BusAlm?
US 64: AR352_W -> AR352Mul, AR352_E -> AR352Cla
US 64: CraAve -> CR2250
US 64: AR359 -> AR359_E
US 64: Pin -> CR1715
US 64: DwiMisRd -> MisRd??
US 64: AR133_N -> AR133_W
US 64: I-40(117) -> ToI-40(117)?
US 64: OldAR25 -> OldHwy25?
US 64: HillLoop no longer intersects where shown; move southeast and rename MarFisRd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=35.094877&lon=-91.962808
US 64: US67/167_S and so on -> US67(28), US67(29), US67(31), US67(35), US67(42), US67(44), US67(45), US67(46), US67(48), US67(51), US67(54), US67(55)
US 64: AR17_S -> US64Bus/17 or US64BusMcC_W, US64BusMcC -> US64BusMcC_E
US 64: CR401 -> CR401/825
US 64: SprRd -> SprHillRd
US 64: AR118 -> AR118_S

US 65: AR159_A -> AR159Lak_N, AR159_B -> AR159Lak_S, AR159_C -> AR159Mas, AR159_D -> AR159McG, AR159_E -> AR159Ome, AR159_F -> AR159Dum
US 65: CadDr -> FenLn
US 65: AR124_W -> AR124/285, AR285 -> AR285_N
US 65: OldAR336 -> CR336
US 65: MilRd -> MillRd?
US 65: AR333_S -> AR333Mar, AR333_N -> AR333Gil
US 65: CR26 -> PinGroRd
US 65: HerLn -> CR4054?
US 65: WolSprRd -> WolfSprRd

US 67: AR174_S -> AR174_E
US 67: WalCutRd -> WalCut
US 67: I-30(106) -> ToI-30(106)?
US 67: I-40(155) -> 155
US 67: McCBlvd and so on -> 1, 2 (but this is signed for Trammel Road, so is it the same as 3?), 3, 4, 5, 6, 8, 9, 10A, 10B, 11A, 11B (new point), 16, 19, 21, 22, 25, 28, 29, 31, 35, 42, 44, 45, 46, 48, 51, 54, 55, 60, 65, 69, 74, 80, 82, 83, 85, 87, 95, 102, 111, 121
US 67: US67Spr -> US67Y or US67Wye

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US 70: AirRd_DeQ -> SevCouAir?
US 70: EastParkRd -> EParkRd?
US 70: AirRd_Hem -> AdamBroRd (or AdamBroRd_E?)
US 70/270: the Hot Springs bypass has exit numbers (1 2 3 4 5 7 9 11), but they follow the entire freeway, not 70 or 270. I don't know how to handle these - 2(HSB)? Should US70BusHot_E be 11B (since 11A is to stay on 70)?
US 70: AR88_W -> AR88Hot (if not 4), AR88_E -> AR88Lon
US 70: AR128_W -> AR128Hot (if not 7), AR128_E -> AR128Fou
US 70: AR50_W -> AR50Mad, AR50_E -> AR50Cra
US 70: AR38_W -> AR38Hug, AR38_E -> AR38Wes

US 71/270: CR76 -> CR76E and move south to the intersection with a sign?
US 71/270: WoodRd[sic] is gated
US 71: FreCreRd -> FreRd
US 71: why is there a point at BroSt?
US 71: I-49Fut -> AR549
US 71: TrueLoveRd -> CR154?
US 71: WooRd -> CR35?
US 71: WalMouRd -> CR32?
US 71: AR112/265 -> 60
US 71: AR340 -> 98
US 71Fou: US67/82_* -> US82_* since 67 is north-south?
US 71Fou: extend north along the state line to just north of AR296? I'm not sure if there's a defined standard for this sort of situation

US 79: CR469 -> CR118
US 79: AR205_S -> AR205Shu, AR205_N -> AR205Tho
US 79: CasDr -> CR84?
US 79: US79Bus -> US79BusPin
US 79: OldUS79 is blocked off
US 79: AR86_N -> AR86_W, AR86_S -> AR86_E

US 82: RockSprRd -> CR18
US 82: MainSt -> HopeRd
US 82: AirDr -> SArkAir?
US 82: US82BusElD_W -> 17, AR15 -> 18, WestAve -> 19, US63/167 -> 22
US 82: GanCutRd -> GanCut
US 82: move PortCro to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.151053&lon=-92.100459
US 82: RamRd -> CR11
US 82: AR133T -> AR133T_S

[mapcat]

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3501 addresses 200-299

201: we need to determine whether it still overlaps US 62B through Mountain Home after the recent deletion inside the bypass.

I'll check with ADOT (and investigate the changes to US 63 as well).

203: the AR274* labels seem wrong, but I don't know what would work better. AR274_Cam, AR274_W, AR274_E?

I put AR274 at the north end, and AR274_W & _E at the ends of the concurrency.

208hal: LevRd -> CR55?

ASDI calls it Levee Rd.

215: CR5261 -> CR5440 and move a bit east

The end is where the Johnson County map's Oark inset shows it.

215mul: where does the ShoLakeRd name come from?
215ves: where does the NolRd name come from?

ASDI (Shores Lake Rd & Nolan Rd).

231 (main segment) is mileposted from east to west (and may be signed north-south to match the other segments; I can't make out what the signs say); should it be reversed?

It's signed north-south so I reversed it.

233bat: US167/25 -> US167_S? 25 isn't signed at this intersection

True but since it's in the HB as part of 25 I left it alone.

239: AR18/151 -> AR18_E? 151 isn't signed here

Likewise.

252/US 71: why the point at BroSt?

@yakra? I have no idea.

253: AR252 -> AR45 (252 isn't signed here)

Yes but since it's in the HB as part of 252 I corrected it to 45/252.

254: where do the names for the streets come from?

ASDI (Archey Rd, Little Red River Rd, Shady Grove Rd, Rocky Hill Rd)

255/US 71B: ZeroSt -> ZeroSt_E?? three junctions makes it hard

Changed to ZeroSt_A & _B.

260: CR668 -> 3ForRd?

ASDI calls it CR 668.

263: OldBreRd -> CR201?

It's Old Brewer Rd in ASDI.

264: AirBlvd -> NWARegAir?

ASDI has Airport Blvd.

264sil needs to be reversed

It's signed as a W-E route beginning at BraRd.

282/US 71: LakeFortRd -> LakeSmiRd

Although "Ft" is small, it's on the sign.

285: US65/124 -> US65_N (124 isn't signed here)

Since the HB includes that as part of 124 I'm leaving it in the label.

286: ...extend west overlapping US 65B to US65Bus/60 (signs are inconsistent)

Using the signs at the end of the I-40 ramps, I'm considering I-40 to be the end.

289zio: BonRd -> BanRd (or CR61?)

ASDI calls it Bonetown Rd.

Should 295com and 295cro be joined?

I'm open to this since they're in the same county and connected to the same route, but they're so short that the gap on AR 16 is longer than either segment.

299 is signed south from both ends. Mileposts are from I-30 to 24, so it should be reversed (that would make it west to east).

The only place where it's signed south heading away from 24 is at 387 (just south of the end). All other signage shows its north end at I-30.

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US 165: AR144_S -> AR144Lak, AR144_N -> AR144Gil
US 165: AR159_A -> AR159Mas, AR159_B -> AR159McG, AR159_C -> AR159Ome
US 165: AR169_S -> AR169McG, AR169_N -> AR169Ark
US 165: AR277_S -> AR277Til, AR277_N -> AR277Pea
US 165: AR276_E -> AR276_N

US 167: US167BusElD_S -> 15, US63_N -> 16, ChaRd -> 17
US 167: AR273 -> AR273Iva? (to distinguish from the one at US79Bus/273)
US 167: AR35_N -> AR35? US167BusShe_S would normally be AR35_N
US 167: FR9906 -> CR428??
US 167: AR367_A -> AR367Lit
US 167: see US 67 for exit numbers
US 167: AR367_C -> AR367_N
US 167: OakGroRd -> OakRd
US 167: AR14 -> AR14/25

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215: CR5261 -> CR5440 and move a bit east

The end is where the Johnson County map's Oark inset shows it.

However, there is an end state maintenance sign to the east.

282/US 71: LakeFortRd -> LakeSmiRd

Although "Ft" is small, it's on the sign.

Sure, but if we're dropping a word we should drop the small one. "If the cross road name has more than 3 words, use one of two options: 1. Pick out the two most important words besides the road type..."

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US 270: CreDr -> BigRockCreRd
US 270: NFD33 -> FR33?

US 278: CR52600, CR51000, CR22450 -> I don't know what, but they're not county roads
US 278: SimLp -> SimLp_E
US 278: AR32_W -> AR32Oak, AR32_E -> AR32Wil
US 278: ExpStaRd -> CR4?
US 278: AR274 -> AR274Eas, AR274_E -> AR274For
US 278: CR7_W -> CR7Cal, CR7_E -> CR7Bra
US 278: FarRd -> CR25/32?
US 278: CarRd -> SamCarRd
US 278: 7thSt -> CR133?
US 278: US278Byp_E -> US278Byp? (or keep as-is to futureproof?)
US 278: AR159_A -> AR159Mas_N, AR159_B -> AR159Mas_S, AR159_C -> AR159Mas, AR159_D -> AR159Lak_S, AR159_E -> AR159Lak_N
US 278: AR35/208 -> AR35_E, AR35 -> AR35_W

US 371: CR15 -> CR15_W
US 371: AR355_S -> AR355Pat, AR355_N -> AR355Min
US 371: AR200_S -> AR200Ros, AR200_N -> AR200Pre
US 371: move CR50 southeast
US 371: US67 -> US67_N
US 371: ProGroRd -> CR23

US 412: WilCreRd -> CR851?
US 412: SonRd -> CR93?
US 412: WadeRd -> CR389/390?
US 412: OldUS412 -> CR8110?
US 412: CR728 -> CR720/728
US 412: US49Spr -> US49Y or US49Wye
US 412: US412Byp -> US412Byp_E (to futureproof?)

US 425: CR28 -> King
US 425: GriLaddRd -> GriFieRd

[mapcat]

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3507 finishes my first pass.

I can't find any directional plates on 301, and it's mileposted from west to east, so it should be reversed

I found one. Reversed.

308: McDDr -> McDSt?

ASDI calls it Cummings St, so changed to CumSt.

310eno ends a bit northwest of BayRd, maybe far enough for a separate End point

That GMSV is over 12 years old, so I'm going with the endpoint shown on the county map.

311 continues south from US 62 on Tyson Avenue, but that's unsigned, so no change (except adding a TysAve point on US 62?)

Since it's unsigned, a point shouldn't be necessary.

311: CR814 -> CR812/814

318 is mileposted from north to south and east to west; should it be reversed?

It's hard to tell exactly how it's signed; this sign looks like it says "South" rather than "East"

319con is signed north-south so should be reversed

It's already drafted starting from the south end so I don't undersand what needs to change.

323des: where does the LetRd name come from?

ASDI (Letchworth Rd).

324 is mileposted from north to south (or east to west according to the signs at the north end of the main segment and 324lak); should it be reversed (all but 324rus)?

I reversed 324ado, which doesn't have any directional signage, so I assume it's a W->E route.

331: OldAR247 -> Hwy247 or RivRd?

It's signed as "Hwy 247" and since AR 247 probably used that path in the past, OldAR247 seems appropriate.

337: LoboRd -> LoboLan? (and shift east a bit)

Changed to VogDr per ASDI (Vogel Dr).

343slo: where does the SarKonRd name come from?

ASDI (Saranie Konecny Rd).

350 is signed east-west everywhere but at US 64, and is mileposted from west to east, so should definitely be reversed

It's already drafted starting from the west end so I don't undersand what needs to change.

355 is mileposted from north to south (and is sometimes signed east-west); should it be reversed?

It's signed northbound heading away from US 371, and southbound heading away (east) from AR 29, so I don't see the point of redoing it just because the northwestern-most part is misbehaving.

365: WiseRd -> DexEnt?

ASDI calls it Wise Rd.

366abe: OakLn -> End

According to ASDI, the easternmost part of AR 366's route is called Apple Bar Ln. AR 366 ends where Oak Ln meets Apple Bar Ln.

368: MainSt -> CR27?

ASDI likes CR27 too (GMSV is illegible) so it's changed.

376 around Camden is mileposted in the reverse direction of the old 7 portion, but several signs explicitly overlap 376 *east-west* with 7. At the south end it's signed north, and I can't make out the plates where it crosses 7. Probably no change.

Inconclusive, so leaving it alone.

380ogd: End -> CR230

It already was named CR230 (there was no point in the file called "End") but since ASDI calls the other road intersecting the eastern-most end, I changed the label to CR70/230.

386tol: maintenance continues northwest to the sharp curve per mileage

That map doesn't show enough detail to clearly refute this map, so I'm keeping the point at the intersection.

390: where does the CorEngRd name come from? rename LowLakeArea?

ASDI calls it Corps of Engineers Rd.

393ple: CotRd -> End?

ASDI shows the name changing from Hwy 393 to Cottontown Rd at the endpoint.

530 is built to have a limited number of intersections, so perhaps we should add points at all other intersections. That means adding:
AutHilRd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.977349&lon=-91.918992
OldSCRd_S http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.059664&lon=-91.958098
530wil: ditto for BarRd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=33.671354&lon=-91.886682

I added all but OldSCRd_S, since it was only 0.15 mi from OldSCRd_N.

943-1 is unsigned except for state maintenance begins/ends but US 70 and 31 should probably get a point at FishHatRd

Since 943-1 is unsigned, I don't see any reason for providing a point for it. If it's signed in the future, a point can be added then.

https://www.arkansashighways.com/maps/Counties/County%20PDFs/StFrancisCounty.pdf shows a 980 at Colt, but it's unsigned Maybe add an Arpt point on 1?

Ditto.

980mon: Arpt -> End (or realign?)

The Drew County map shows that the end is actually at Commerce Dr, so since the "End Maintenance" sign and the sign showing 980 turning east at the Commerce Dr intersection contradict each other, I'm going with the map and ending it at the turn.

[mapcat]

In addition to changes to the US 63 file, this also means the following files need US49* -> US49/63* ...

... yes, these labels could be changed, but IMO they're fine as they are as well.

Once I hear back from ArDOT I will probably adjust all of the affected US49 labels.

AR 5 departs there from the service road between interchanges, not from I-30 itself. I changed the west split to I-30.

Haven't looked to see what you ended up doing here. Just noting that my labeling style has been, for simplicity's sake, to drop references to service roads, frontage roads, ramps, etc., and consider these part of the parent route complex, part of I-30 in this case.

I changed I-30 to I-30(117), ConRd to I-30(118), and I-30SerRd_E to MilRd_S. I also located I-30(118) to the waypoint on I-30, and added a shaping point between the two on AR5lit to break the false concurrency.

29: 23rdSt_E -> 23rdSt

Even though there's no corresponding point at the other junction, streets named 23rd St do head both east and west from AR 29.

Such suffixes are common for "multiplexes" along city streets (e.g., MainSt_N, etc.), but this appears to not be one of those cases, being Bill Clinton Dr.

Changed to E23rdSt to differentiate from W 23rd St.

66: OakSt_N -> OakSt_E, WalSt_S -> WalSt_W?

Oak St & Walnut St are oriented SW/NE and aren't signed as N/S or E/W, so why would this be any better?

It's a stretch, but... Main St is a brief interruption in the Oak/Walnut axis of the grid otherwise following AR66's overall E/W orientation?
Hey, I said it was a stretch! Doesn't matter much.
OTOH, maybe... MainSt_* labels?

Going with OakSt_E & WalSt_W based on AR 66's signed direction of travel.

4: US67Spr -> US67Y

It's US67Spr in the HB.

Should be US67Y or US67Wye.

Sorry, no.

AR367 -> AR36/367?

Done (changes made to AR36 & AR367 too)

53: CR81 -> CR36/81

CR 36 & CR 81 intersect AR 53 at two (admittedly close but) distinct places.

You should probably move the point to CR36 then, since 53 traffic has to stop there.

Sure, why not.

59: move RigDr south to the I-540 overpass?

There's no graph connection to be made there, so I don't see a compelling reason to move it.

Why not make a graph connection? The I-540 exit is signed for 59 and nothing else on the main signs.

Okay, fine. Changed US 71 file as well.

94 continues north from AR340

Yes, but it's unsigned.

That seems like splitting hairs, since traffic on 94 itself has no indication the route ends at 340.

Wouldn't that be true for almost any route that's partially unsigned?

183: 4thSt -> MilParkRd?

Both 4th St & Mills Park Rd are signed at that intersection, so why is one any better than the other?

Because the latter is a more important road.

Personal opinion. Neither of them are particularly important. The point exists because Bryan deserves a point somewhere, and there's a light at that intersection.

I drove that segment in 2018 and remember the signage being similar to the 2013 GMSV, although I did not check the westbound sign since I was driving the opposite direction.

So we have signage showing an overlap. The truncation should be reverted.

As I said, I only noticed that the signs heading north on 17 failed to mention the business route.

I'm still not convinced that the I-49 overlap is correct. There's signage on 12 itself showing the surface alignment via 8th, while the only signs supporting I-49 are after you turn.

I'm not changing this.

Approaching AR 12 W from I-49 southbound: 2007 vs 2019

Approaching AR 12 E from I-49 northbound: 2008 vs 2019

215: CR5261 -> CR5440 and move a bit east

The end is where the Johnson County map's Oark inset shows it.

However, there is an end state maintenance sign to the east.

Yes, in a photo that's 12 years old. The map was last updated in 2012.

282/US 71: LakeFortRd -> LakeSmiRd

Although "Ft" is small, it's on the sign.

Sure, but if we're dropping a word we should drop the small one. "If the cross road name has more than 3 words, use one of two options: 1. Pick out the two most important words besides the road type..."

Going with "LakeFSRd".

Is this everything you wanted to discuss? Anyone else have any thoughts?


https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3515

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310eno ends a bit northwest of BayRd, maybe far enough for a separate End point

That GMSV is over 12 years old, so I'm going with the endpoint shown on the county map.

The 2003 county map shows the same thing as the current one.

I just downloaded http://geostor-vectors.geostor.org/Transportation/SHP/ROAD_INVENTORY_ARDOT.zip and will have a look at endpoints like this when I get a chance. Here are a couple (310eno and 386tol):



I don't know how authoritative this is, but it will at least provide another datapoint.

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US 49busbro: SchSt -> CR936?
US 49bushel: move ColSt_N north half a block
US 49bushel: AR242_S -> AR242_W? directional signage on 242 is inconsistent, also being west on "northbound" out of West Helena
US 49buspar: NorAve -> NorAve_E
US 49sprpar -> US 49ypar or US 49wyepar

US 62sprber: OakViewDr -> OakDr

US 63busjon is now an extension of 463 (points on 18 and 351sjo need renaming)
US 63busmar is now an extension of 149, probably ending at AR14/140 (points on 14, 140, 149, and 308 need renaming)

US 64busmcc is signed south from US 64 along 17, so extend it back and US64 -> US64_E
US 64buswyn: AR1 -> AR1/284

US 65bushar: LakDr -> LakeShoDr
US 65buspin: US63_N -> US63/79_N
US 65buspin: move 2ndAve to the underpass
US 65spreud is unsigned so no change

US 67bussea: AR367 -> AR367_N
US 67sprwal -> US67ywal or US67wyewal

US 70bushot/270bushot: move SumSt just south and make it SumSt_S? as it is it doesn't really correspond to any intersection
US 70bushot: new point 1 at the Grand Avenue exit, then AR7S -> 2, MillCreRd -> 3, KelSt -> 4, WesDr -> 5, US70_E -> 6
US 70buslit: AshAve -> AshAve_E

[michih]

Anyone else have any thoughts?

Just this: http://travelmapping.net/devel/datacheck.php?sys=usaar to be checked and (most likely) marked FP on activation.
There are currently no NMPs: http://travelmapping.net/logs/nmpbyregion/ak.nmp Fine!
and NMPs should be checked before activation: http://travelmapping.net/logs/nmpbyregion/ar.nmp

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There are currently no NMPs: http://travelmapping.net/logs/nmpbyregion/ak.nmp Fine!

Wrong file: http://travelmapping.net/logs/nmpbyregion/ar.nmp

[yakra]

reply in progress

[mapcat]

I'm holding off on the datacheck until I've finished all the edits.

[michih]

I'm holding off on the datacheck until I've finished all the edits.

Sure, sorry! I was not aware that you've not yet finished editing. And I guess that it's not necessary to remember you moving AR151 and AR440 from usansf to usaar on activation.