turd: Turkey Devlet Yolları

[si404]

9xxs

general comments - there's various long gaps where shaping points could be replaced with visible points.

D977:  fine
D975Gur: fine
D975: concurrency with E99 between D080 and D100 broken.
D965: Kon -> Koy
D959: fine
D957: fine
D955Bat: fine
D955: fine
D950: fine
D925: points for Ovit Tunnel?
D915: fine
D905: Cey -> I63-29?

[panda80]

9xxs

general comments - there's various long gaps where shaping points could be replaced with visible points.

D975: concurrency with E99 between D080 and D100 broken.
D965: Kon -> Koy
D925: points for Ovit Tunnel?
D905: Cey -> I63-29?

Implemented these issues, should I reroute D925 through the tunnel?

Regarding the long gaps, there are not so many places in East Anatolia where we now need WPs. I put always one at the intersection with I roads (maybe I or someone else will draft these system in the far future), and at some important intersections in the cities. If someone needs a WP, he/she can request one.

[michih]

I don't like the policy to avoid hidden wps if they can be replaced by any visible wps which will never ever been used by any traveler. However, I think that D925 should get a wp in Ikidere and we definitely need wps at both ends of the Ovit tunnel. OSM and GM indicate D925 via the old route. wp labels might be OvitTun_N and OviTun_S? I also think that there should be minimum one or two wps b/n I25-82 and D100. For instance at the road to Akcakent south of the lake. Check GSV for a wp label, if there's no sign, use the name of the village: "Akc".

[si404]

I don't like the policy to avoid hidden wps if they can be replaced by any visible wps which will never ever been used by any traveler.

I concur.

However, I think that D925 should get a wp in Ikidere and we definitely need wps at both ends of the Ovit tunnel. OSM and GM indicate D925 via the old route. wp labels might be OvitTun_N and OviTun_S? I also think that there should be minimum one or two wps b/n I25-82 and D100. For instance at the road to Akcakent south of the lake. Check GSV for a wp label, if there's no sign, use the name of the village: "Akc".

Yes - no need to be excessive about it, but likewise there's no need to be excessive the other way.

I certainly understand the impulse to not have points for small village that getting a label for is difficult, and you know that it's unlikely to be used, it just felt like there were places where avoiding a visible waypoint went a little too far.

[panda80]

I don't like the policy to avoid hidden wps if they can be replaced by any visible wps which will never ever been used by any traveler. However, I think that D925 should get a wp in Ikidere and we definitely need wps at both ends of the Ovit tunnel. OSM and GM indicate D925 via the old route. wp labels might be OvitTun_N and OviTun_S? I also think that there should be minimum one or two wps b/n I25-82 and D100. For instance at the road to Akcakent south of the lake. Check GSV for a wp label, if there's no sign, use the name of the village: "Akc".

Put the ones for Ovit Tunnel (the reason why I didn't have at the beginning was that I thought it's not open yet, now I found out that it opened in June 2018). This comes with the next update, the other ones will come tomorrow.

[panda80]

However, I think that D925 should get a wp in Ikidere and we definitely need wps at both ends of the Ovit tunnel. OSM and GM indicate D925 via the old route. wp labels might be OvitTun_N and OviTun_S? I also think that there should be minimum one or two wps b/n I25-82 and D100. For instance at the road to Akcakent south of the lake. Check GSV for a wp label, if there's no sign, use the name of the village: "Akc".

Putted this WPs.

@Si
I am waiting for the next round of review, when you will find time for it.

[si404]

Poland's been taking up most of my TM time. I should be able to focus much more on this.

[si404]

General point - when abbreviating Caddesi - 'Cad' / 'Cd' have both been used (the latter the pre-existing routes, per the abbreviation used on google maps and some other sources) - change them to all be the same. Also Blvd -> Bul (no d in Bulvari) - also other routes

800s

D805: you have a shaping point right on the intersection with the  Yuvali-Kalkanick Yolu (also concurrent D260) - seems worthy enough to be unhid; O21Bor -> O21(131)
D805Cek: fine
D805Sul: fine
D815: Sam -> Sai
D817: O53Can -> O53(71)
D817Yum: between Nar and Ham OSM has different route; between Dem and Yum OSM has different route
D825: OSM has it going through Hatay
D825Gok: Probably good to have an intermediate visible waypoint
D827: fine
D835: D835Old_x -> OldD835_x
D850: D875_Mal isn't an in-browser D road; D850Old_x -> OldD850_x;
D850Gur: D850 -> D260/D850
D851: AltSarYolu -> D260_W; D851Old -> OldD851 or PinSarYolu_N
D855: fine
D855Kan: fine
D865: fine
D875: extend along trumpet sliproads to meet O-52?
D877: I24-29 -> I24-59
D877Tir: fine
D883: fine
D885: GSJ missing a point south of Trabzon (also concurrent international roads); D883_N and D040/D883 don't have the D883
E98: does it extend along D825 to meet the D817/E91?

[panda80]

General point - when abbreviating Caddesi - 'Cad' / 'Cd' have both been used (the latter the pre-existing routes, per the abbreviation used on google maps and some other sources) - change them to all be the same. Also Blvd -> Bul (no d in Bulvari) - also other routes

Before correcting this at all routes, I will like to clarify it, as in the tutorial it's written: "Abbreviate the generic road type (Rd for Road, Blvd for Boulevard, etc.) if it's one of the very common types."  Is this rule just for english names, and doesn't extend to other countries? That's important, because I used Blvd in more systems (roudn, marn and roudj), for road names that translate to Boulevard.

[michih]

General point - when abbreviating Caddesi - 'Cad' / 'Cd' have both been used (the latter the pre-existing routes, per the abbreviation used on google maps and some other sources) - change them to all be the same. Also Blvd -> Bul (no d in Bulvari) - also other routes

Before correcting this at all routes, I will like to clarify it, as in the tutorial it's written: "Abbreviate the generic road type (Rd for Road, Blvd for Boulevard, etc.) if it's one of the very common types."  Is this rule just for english names, and doesn't extend to other countries? That's important, because I used Blvd in more systems (roudn, marn and roudj), for road names that translate to Boulevard.

I think that we only use Blvd when the abbreviation of the native word is also Blvd, e.g in French (marn) and Romanian (roudn, roudj).

Edit: We have 140 Blvd hits in Turkey. I could correct it in less than 10 seconds.... Just let me know...
Edit2: The only Blvd in use is ATABLVD for D400 and D515 but none in any active system.

[panda80]

Edit: We have 140 Blvd hits in Turkey. I could correct it in less than 10 seconds.... Just let me know...
Edit2: The only Blvd in use is ATABLVD for D400 and D515 but none in any active system.

It would be perfect if you can edit them. As I use GitHub Web, it would be more difficult for me to correct them, as I need to manually search in every file.

[panda80]

D817Yum: between Nar and Ham OSM has different route; between Dem and Yum OSM has different route

Between Nar and Ham both routes are designated D817 in OSM. Chose here to route over the newer, better road. I changed between Dem and Yum.

Corrected the other issues, should be in with the next site update.

[michih]

General point - when abbreviating Caddesi - 'Cad' / 'Cd' have both been used (the latter the pre-existing routes, per the abbreviation used on google maps and some other sources) - change them to all be the same. Also Blvd -> Bul (no d in Bulvari) - also other routes

I've replaced 140 Blvd by Bul and 286 Cad by Cd. I didn't break any user list file for active systems but for D routes. I've carefully checked all Cad entries, they were always the last segment of each label, I guess it should always be Caddesi.
I've seen some label names with 4 instead of maximum 3 abbreviations which should be corrected:

D100: AlbNecOkseCd
D140: FatSulMehCd
D200: SehCenTopCd
D400: NukCelErsCd

[si404]

700s

general - some shaping points could be made visible to serve towns - they are literally at road junctions in towns

D705: shaping point at Cicek not quite in the right place (and perhaps could be visible - Cicek seems to be a large-enough place, ditto Apa/Yenisu for shaping point further north, though both are smaller than what I'm talking about in the general point, but the route's not long, so it's not really bloated to have them visible)
D715: several GSJs in Konya need to have points added (including on concurrent routes, where applicable)
D750: D100_E and GerYolu - which one is where the D100 heads east?; O20(Kaz) -> O20(16); Shaping point north of D140_W needs making visible (leads to D140 GSJ); GSJ north of D140_W needs point; GSJ east of BatBul needs point (also D140); D200_E -> D140/D200; GSJs south of HipCd (also D200) need points; O20(Gol) -> O20(7); GSJ serving Tavlioren needs point (also E90); D757_N -> D757_W (?); D757_S -> D757_E (?)
D753: fine
D755: I78-04 -> I78-04_N and I78.04 -> I78-04_S. @michih - can you do a check to see points with . rather than - in and replace? Seems to be on the low numbered routes that aren't concurrent with international routes.
D757: D260 -> D260/D765
D757Ben: move a shaping point or two and make visible - Buyuk Biyik definitely and maybe Sanlikisla or Acikuyu (it's a three visible point route!)
D759: fine
D765: D200_W is off (also other routes); point for Kaymakli
D775: fine
D785Cor: doesn't need the 'Cor' in the abbrev field of turd.csv; make visible the shaping point in downtown Boyabat, the clearest example of the general point I'm making (also concurrent D030); add point for GSJ serving Yeni Hacilarhani
D785Yet: D765 -> D260/D765
D795: Ahu not quite in right place (also concurrent international routes); missing GSJ for Gokcebag (also concurrent D100 and international routes); missing GSJs north and northeast of Corum (also concurrent D180); D190 marked on OSM through Alaca, suggest adding point for that route even if D190 is on bypass

Also, looking at E80, does it take D805? The E95 goes to the D795/D805 junction, and the E805 clearly exists to cut that corner off. Suggest removing D795_N and relabing D805_W and D805_E as D100/D805_W and D100/D805_E.

[si404]

600s

D605: fine
D615: fine
D625: fine
D635: fine
D650: GSJs (including u-turn ones) between I54-50 and D150_E need points; likewise the GSJs east and west of Gok, the two between Kar_N and Isa, and the one north of D150_W (all also D150); and the ones south of D150_W, south of Buy, at Sel (current hidden point!), south of Bayirkoy, north of D160_E, at Kuyubasi Yolu (also D160), north of I11-27 (also D160), north of Demirkoy, at Karakoy, south of I11-51, north of D200_W, west of YesYolu (which is off - also E90 and D200), at the Ford factory, at Dutluca, near Kutahya Gar station, at Yunus Emre Caddesi, at Pusan and east of D300_W (also D300 and international routes)
D655: KuzCevYolu is off; GSJ east of O4(19) needs point (also D100); D100/D140 -> D100/D160
D665: fine
D675: fine
D685: fine
D685Agl: fine
D687: fine
D695: D200/260 -> D200/D260; D300_E is off (also doesn't meet corresponding E981 point, despite meeting D300 point);
D696: fine