norfv + norntv: Norway Primære Fylkesveier + Nasjonale Turistveger

[michih]

Locally fixed.

[si404]

Doing the tourist routes first (low hanging fruit to knock out before diving back into Paris):

These are the route as-in-browser. I'll look at routings/branches afterwards as I've noticed a couple of discrepancies which I want to check. Don't forget to alter concurrent routes.

general point - inconsistency wrt -veien, -vegen, -bakken, etc - sometimes these show up as Vei, Veg, Bak, other times they are omitted.

I've ignored where town names are used instead of road names, presuming the road names unsigned.

HelTv - fine

HelTvBer
 - shaping point s of San, Fv7210 and VenHolmFry off
 - Ven -> HesVei?

HelTvFlo
 - Bra, shaping point s of Bra, Fv836, sp in big tunnel, Flo, sp 2 w of Fv810,  are off

HelTvHol - both points are off and route is entirely concurrent with Berg section

HelTvJet - Fv831 and shaping point near Reppasjoen are off

HelTvLei - HamVei and TomVei are off

HelTvVev - AndFry off

JaeTv - Fv4346 doesn't intersect

LofTv
 - Myr, Fv82, KorsVei, HopsVei, shaping point e of Fv816, Fv816, sps s of Fv7628, Fv7628, sp w of Fv7624, sp s of Fv7720, sp s of Fv7118_W, sp s of Fv7606, Fv7708 and sps at Fjosdalentunnel are off
 - JekVei doesn't intersect (replace with NyvVei)
 - add visible point in Ramberg

LofTvEgg - fine

LofTvHen - E10 and GamVei are off

LofTvNus, LofTvUns, LofTvUta, LofTvVik, RonTv, RonTvMue - fine

RyfTv - HejNesFry, shaping point n of Fv4712, Fv4722, and sp s of Fv4720 are off

RyfTvJor - HjeNesFry is off

SenTv - Fv7886, Fv7884, Fv7868, shaping points either side of Fv7870, Fv7870, sp e of Sen, Sen are off
 - Sen -> Hamn?

SenTvHus - Fv862 is off

SenTvMef - Fv862 is off

SogTv
 - Fv2638, Fv5637 and Hoy are off
 - add point for Leirdalvegen
 - Nes -> OvreNes

ValTv - make visible shaping point (and move slightly) at Bygdisheimvegen

VarTv - IndKil, Kom, shaping point s of Kom, sp s of Fv8090_S, Kra, Fv8088, Fv8096_S, Mor and sp next-but-one from E6/E75 are off

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AndTv - LakVei -> LakVei_N

AtlTv
 - add point for Fv6060 next to Fv663/6064
 - Fv663/6070 is off

AurTv - fine

GauTv - shaping point w of Fv600/613, Fv600/613, sp s of Hov, Hov, Fv5606 and sp w of Fv5606 are off

GauTvMos
 - Fv610, shaping point e of Fv5673, Vik, sp n of Vik,
 - Fur doesn't intersect with anything: move or hide.

GSTv, GTTv - fine

GTTvTro - Gud and BerBrua are off

HarTv - Rv13 and TorJonFry are off

HarTvJon
 - most of the shaping points are slightly off
 - Fv550Utn -> Fv550_E

HarTvOdd - Fv5090 is off

HarvTv - Hyt and RalVeg are off

HavTv - Fv889Sne, Sla and Fv8058 are off

[michih]

general point - inconsistency wrt -veien, -vegen, -bakken, etc - sometimes these show up as Vei, Veg, Bak, other times they are omitted.

I've ignored where town names are used instead of road names, presuming the road names unsigned.

I think that the names were not signed on any map when we drafted the systems (eure+norrv+norntv you, norfv me) but the road names have been added meanwhile. I replaced the village names by road names when I revised the active routues.

It's similar with the bunch of points being off. I think that the maps have been improved meanwhile. They seem to be quite accurate now compared to satellite view. I've only revised the wp positions of active routes in detail. I did't check wps I didn't had to change from norfv and norntv routes because (it had been a lot of work and) there were sometimes complaints by the reviewer in question that reviewing my systems would be boring due to too high accuracy

Edit wishes that you report all issues with incorrect road names and inaccurate wp position


When routes must be split because there is a ferry connection in-between or whatever. Do we call the routes by city (well, village) names or by island names? I generally go with village names all over the world but I realized that you used island name for Helgelandskysten Nasjonal Turistvei. They are different to the concurrent Fv17 routes which was drafted first. Should I rename the HelTv routes?

[si404]

general point - inconsistency wrt -veien, -vegen, -bakken, etc - sometimes these show up as Vei, Veg, Bak, other times they are omitted.

I've ignored where town names are used instead of road names, presuming the road names unsigned.

I think that the names were not signed on any map when we drafted the systems (eure+norrv+norntv you, norfv me) but the road names have been added meanwhile. I replaced the village names by road names when I revised the active routues.

It's similar with the bunch of points being off. I think that the maps have been improved meanwhile. They seem to be quite accurate now compared to satellite view.

Oh yes, it was obvious that that was the case.

I've only revised the wp positions of active routes in detail. I did't check wps I didn't had to change from norfv and norntv routes because (it had been a lot of work and) there were sometimes complaints by the reviewer in question that reviewing my systems would be boring due to too high accuracy

Here was me thinking that these couple of handfuls of routes would take no time to review, but it got tedious and time consuming and I did get a little bored.

When routes must be split because there is a ferry connection in-between or whatever. Do we call the routes by city (well, village) names or by island names? I generally go with village names all over the world but I realized that you used island name for Helgelandskysten Nasjonal Turistvei. They are different to the concurrent Fv17 routes which was drafted first. Should I rename the HelTv routes?

Rename either HelTv or Fv17 to be consistent - probably HelTv as that's more consistent with elsewhere too then.

Some stuff on endpoints - part of the problem is that they are often small viewpoint car parks - while you can turn around there, often you won't.

AurTv - add point for Laerdal Ferry Terminal (where OSM has mapped Rv5 spur to - this is the end on the nasjonalturistveger.no website, but signs reach mainline Rv5 with the spur unsigned)

GauTv - doesn't seem to take the spur to the ferry at Balestrand, instead ending at Fv55_S.

HavTv
- south end http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=70.612041&lon=24.720805
- north end at eastern ferry? Where it is fine though - there's no signage north of there, and nothing for the Tv in the village.

RonTvMue - south end http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=61.684198&lon=10.128257

RyfTv - add branch to Sand (other side of ferry is on map, but not signed)

ValTv
 - north end @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=61.620296&lon=8.972847
 - spur marked on website map along Fv51Gje, but doesn't seem to be signed.
 - south end @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=61.272030&lon=8.861053

I've got 4 more things to check (HelTv spur to Torghatten, whether LofTv takes a different route to the E10, and a couple of things on LofTv spurs), plus a reentered HelTvHol when that arrives.

[si404]

There's a signed HelTv spur along Fv76 and Fv7234 through Bronnoysund to Torghatten - add it.

LofTv mapped as avoiding Leknes, but signed going through it. Consider adding additional spur from LofTvUta 'VikVei_E' to E10 'Fv7606_E' as it's signed the same as the Uttakleiv spur.

LofTvUta (Utakleiv) -> LofTvUtt (Uttakleiv)

LofTvHen - add a point at the junction at the north end of Hanekammen and end LofTvHen there or at nearby carpark. Fv816 can continue to GamVei still.

[michih]

HelTvBer
 - shaping point s of San, Fv7210 and VenHolmFry off

A copy-paste error. Fixed, please check the route again after the next update.

AtlTv
 - add point for Fv6060 next to Fv663/6064

I thought it's over the top but added now. I think I've omitted about five wps like this all over Norway.

[michih]

RonTvMue - south end http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=61.684198&lon=10.128257

I've called the wp according to what you can see on the sign: 1326-1332

LofTvHen - add a point at the junction at the north end of Hanekammen and end LofTvHen there or at nearby carpark. Fv816 can continue to GamVei still.

No, Fv816 also ends there. End point of both routes is MisVei http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=68.156870&lon=14.206851 now.

[michih]

HelTvBer
 - shaping point s of San, Fv7210 and VenHolmFry off

A copy-paste error. Fixed, please check the route again after the next update.

Is it fine now? What is the status of the norntv peer-review?

I think it was almost done... Well, just because

Just seen we have 99 systems in Preview  Time to try and keep that number down by reviewing the last route of this system.

[si404]

I'll check it and start my review of norfv sometime before the weekend.

[si404]

LofTvUta (Utakleiv) -> LofTvUtt (Uttakleiv)

You haven't changed the abbreviation here to match the first three letters of the correctly spelt place name (which was changed), but other than that, I think you have dealt with everything.

[michih]

but other than that, I think you have dealt with everything.

Thanks. The Nasjonale Turistveger (norntv) system will be activated with the next site update

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4291

[si404]

Fv12 - MolVei -> MolVei_N

Fv17
 - HolVei is off, and probably ought to be renamed 'Kve', per the Kveinsjo bus stop (as everything around is Holmsveien)
 - shaping points south of Fv802 are slightly off (and probably more - skim the whole route and tweak shaping)
 - Fv770 is off
 - Fv776 is slightly off
 - Fv7050_W is off
 - Fv769 is off
 - Lei is slightly off and rename LovVeg
 - Fv6926_N is off
 - is Fv7 the right label?
 - Fv6926_S is off
 - is Fv9 the right label? also off

Fv17Ags, Fv17Ber, Fv17For, Fv17Nes, Fv17San - all fine as done in norntv

Fv17Glo - Rv80 point is slightly off

Fv17Nam, Fv17Ris - fine

Fv21
 - Fv19904 -> Fv1990
 - ManVeg -> LjoVeg?

Fv22 - fine

Fv24
 - BryVeg is off
 - Rv3 is slightly off
 - Fv1900_N is slightly off
 - Fv1900_S is slightly off
 - Sjo is slighty off
 - Gry is slightly off (and rename GryVeg?

Fv26
 - OstVeg -> OstVei
 - Hyl -> HylVeg
 - Fv2176 is off
 - Fv236: is OSM wrong here?
 - Fv208 is off

Fv26Try - fine

Fv27
 - Fv29 is off (also RonTv)
 - Fv2578 is off

Fv28
 - move Fv30 to middle of the roundabout
 - Sag -> SagBek?
 - Buv is slightly off

Fv29
 - Fv2238_E is slightly off
 - Fv27 is off (as mentioned above)
 - Bra is off, also rename MjoVeg
 - Gri -> RykVeg
 - EinVeg is off

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Fv30
 - Oso -> OsoyBrua?
 - Fv6546 is off (seems like its been realigned)
 - Fv6544 is slightly off
 - Fv6536 is slightly off
 - Fv31_N is slightly off
 - Fv6526 is slightly off
 - move Fv28 to middle of roundabout (mentioned above)
 - Fv2258 is slightly off
 - Fv26 is slightly off
 - Aum -> AumVei?

Fv30Tyn - fine

Fv31
 - Fv30 is off (as mentioned)
 - Fv6530 is slightly off
 - Fv6538_W is off

Fv31Ror - fine

Fv32
 - RekOrnsGate_N is off (also, Fv3282?)
 - Fv3046 is slightly off
 - add wpt for GSJ east of Fv35_S

Fv32Men - fine

Fv33
 - Rv2388_W -> Fv2388_W
 - Fv2364 is off
 - Kjo -> KjoLin?
 - Opp (OppLin?) is off

[michih]

Done: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4335

Fv17
 - is Fv7 the right label?
 - is Fv9 the right label? also off

They obviously slipped through when I changed the numberings according to the reform. All Fv routes with less than 4-digits should be in HB. If not, the label must be wrong.

Fv24
- Fv1900_N is slightly off

No, see Esri WorldImagery

Fv26
 - Fv236: is OSM wrong here?

Yes, outdated according to vegvesen.no