gbnb: Great Britain B Roads

[si404]

Yes, it makes no sense with branches of B roads but B4252 which is indicated as A469 should be checked that it's really a B road since OSM + GM show it as A469.

Branch of A roads are in the same boat - OSM+GM saying so is meaningless without other evidence.

Because that actually is an A469 branch (or at least signed as such, including away from the mainline), it was an error. But if I hadn't found that one sign that made that road an A469 branch, what I had was correct.

It's now fixed and in the browser.

[michih]

B2050:
Split A256 into 2 wps ?


B2052:
A28 is off
Split A255_N into 2 wps ?
B2053 is off


B2054:
VicPar -> VicPar_N


B2055:
TriSqy -> TriSqu_N


B2056:
A258_N is off


B2064:
A2034 is off


B2067:
AldRd -> AldRd_E


B2070:
B2199 is off


B2079:
UndLn is off
HowRd is off
JarLn is off
JarLn -> CurGreLn (OSM, GM, GSV)


B2080:
HeaRd is off


B2085:
A229 is off


B2088:
A28 is off


B2089:
FloLn is off
A28 is off


B2090:
A21 is off


B2092:
A259 is off
Segment from A2100 to A2690 is indicated being A2690 on OSM and GM, but it's clearly B2092 on 2019 GSV


B2093:
A259 is off


B2095:
A269_S is off
B2204_N is off


B2099:
A21 is off

[si404]

B2092:
Segment from A2100 to A2690 is indicated being A2690 on OSM and GM, but it's clearly B2092 on 2019 GSV

Yep, hence why I mapped it that way.

I might go fix OSM, but I'm sure I did when I dealt with making the same error OSM did and it's been undone. I got it right first time, then there was something that made me err (probably OSM extending the route, though OS has it as well and that counts for a lot more), then I fixed it 2 years later when the evidence for/against appeared.

2015-07-25;(UK) England;A2690;eng.a2690;New Route
2016-03-09;(UK) England;A2690;eng.a2690;Route extended at east end from B2092 to A2100
2018-02-04;(UK) England;A2690;eng.a2690;Route truncated at east end from A2100 to B2092

[michih]

B2100:
Move A267 between both junctions (which are one junction in the end)


B2102:
A22 -> A22/A26


B2103:
A259 is off
Move B2106 to Devonshire Place as indicated on OSM and GM?


B2104:
Check routing in Hailsham, GSV is from 2018/19 - gbnb was drafed earlier
wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.866382&lon=0.254153 and wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.861583&lon=0.256513 ?
A267 is off
A295_S is off


B2106:
I can agree with A259_W location but I'd change B2103 location, see B2103


B2108:
Move A226 between both junctions (which are one junction in the end)


B2110:
Merge A22/A264 and A22_S wps ?


B2112:
A273 is off
GreRd is off


B2114:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.069603&lon=-0.203671 and for A23 too
SlaRd -> BraLn
B2115 is off


B2115:
SloLn is off


B2116:
A273 is off


B2117:
A281 is off
B2118 is off


B2119:
A270 doesn't intersect in HB @ A23/A270 wp but it should


B2123:
A259 is off


B2128:
B2130 is off


B2130:
Split A281 into two wps? I would


B2131:
Split A286 into two wps? I would
A283 is off
Exceeds limits b/n B2070 and A287
Add branch north of A287 wp, see OSM, GM and GSV?
The branch south of A287 is indicated on OSM and GM but not on GSV. We might add a new wp for it though - at A287 too.


B2132:
Split A259 into two wps!


B2133:
B2139 is off
PaiRd -> PlaRd


B2135:
+X204258 is off


B2138:
A29 is off


B2139:
OpenAirMus -> AmbMus / Amb
A283_N is off
A283_S is off


B2145:
A259 is off
B2201 is off


B2146:
FinRd -> LocLn

[michih]

B2154:
A288 -> A288_E


B2163:
A26 is off
A274 is off


B2166:
AldRd -> AldRd_W


B2169:
A267 is off


B2174:
Move A207/A226 to the center of the roundabout


B2176:
A26 is off
B2188 is off


B2177:
A32_N is off
Move A32/A334 to the center of the roundabout
A334_W is off


B2179:
ItcRd is off


B2180:
Move B2195_S to the center of the roundabout
Move B2195_N to the center of the roundabout


B2183:
A272 is off


B2187:
A259 -> A259_N


B2188:
LyeGre is off
A264_W is off


B2191:
A259 is off


B2192:
A267 is off
Move A22 to the center of the roundabout
A26 is off

[michih]

B2200:
A24 -> A24/A232


B2205:
A291/A2990 wp might be a candidate for the one-point-per-interchange rule because the roundabout is within the interchange due to the ramp onto A299 eastbound


B2211:
Move A224 to the center of the roundabout


B2215:
A3_S is off because there is only one ramp. The 2nd ramp is fenced and indicated being closed on OSM


B2229:
Move A28 to the center of the roundabout


B2231:
Move A2500_E to the center of the roundabout
BarHillDr is off due to a new roundabout


B2233:
I'd move A29_S to the A29 main line
Move A29_N to the center of the roundabout
A259 is off


B2237:
A24_N -> A24/A264


B2244:
A21 is off
A229 is off


B2247:
A22 -> A22_E


B2259:
But -> ButBogReg or UppBogRd_E


B2260:
Move A21/A2014 to the center of the roundabout


B2450:
Move A24/A246 to the center of the roundabout


B2500:
Move A296 to the center of the roundabout



39.29% of the routes in England done!

[panda80]

Let's return to Wales:

WLS B4306
2 WPs for B4317 (the intersections are quite far for a single WP)

WLS B4314
New WP at Kiln Park Road in Norberth

WLS B4320
Rename B4319 to B4319_W

WLS B4330
Do we really need the WP ToA40? If yes, rename to BriMeaRd_E

WLS B4337
A482 is off

WLS B4362Bur
WLS/ENG is off

WLS B4381
The section between A458_E and A458/A490 seem to be a branch of A458

WLS B4391
Rename A494 to A494/A4212


WLS B4393
Rename B4391 to A490_W

Done until B4398.

[si404]

WLS B4381
The section between A458_E and A458/A490 seem to be a branch of A458

The signage is a mess. OSM is somewhat trying to show the signage, but doesn't do it quite right - your confusion is understandable!

The B road is signed as the main road (especially approaching from the east) as '(A458)' and with green (primary) signs that you don't tend to see on a B road. However it's bracketed (ie 'to') and the A458 is signed on the parallel route (and in green too), so it's not a branch, nor the mainline.

Interestingly, approaching Welshpool from the North/East they have a similar thing to approaching from the west, where the signs want you to take the B road (though it's signed as such) instead of the primary (and thus trunk, and nationally rather than locally maintained) A road. I guess the legal orders to change over road ownership are effort, so its not been changed.

WLS B4391
Rename A494 to A494/A4212


WLS B4393
Rename B4391 to A490_W

Both of these don't intersect with the A road, merely the concurrent A road ends here. As such I've left these as is for the moment, until (if) persuaded that these should be labelled with a non-intersecting road that if you take you'll travel further along the route you are travelling on.

[michih]

WLS B4391
Rename A494 to A494/A4212

WLS B4393
Rename B4391 to A490_W

Both of these don't intersect with the A road, merely the concurrent A road ends here. As such I've left these as is for the moment, until (if) persuaded that these should be labelled with a non-intersecting road that if you take you'll travel further along the route you are travelling on.

I agree with B4393's B4391 wp being B4393 because the A route is just concurrent to B4393 and ends here. It really doesn't intersect anyhow.

I don't agree with leaving out A4212 of B4391's A494 wp. It starts here and is not cuncurrent anyhow. If A494 would be a B road, the label should be A4212. If A4212 would be M4212, the label had to be M4212. I don't see any sense in omitting A4212. Thus, I'm in favor of A494/A4212.

[si404]

I agree with B4393's B4391 wp being B4393 because the A route is just concurrent to B4393 and ends here. It really doesn't intersect anyhow.

I don't agree with leaving out A4212 of B4391's A494 wp. It starts here and is not cuncurrent anyhow. If A494 would be a B road, the label should be A4212.

Glad you agree with my reasoning on the B4393, but baffled as to why you can't see the same applying to the B4391.

1) I don't see how "ends here"on the B4393 label and "starts here" on the B4391 label mean totally different things as they are functionally the same thing.

2) The B4391 and A4212 are very much concurrent. I'd argue your error here is your main point.
WLS A4212
A494 <-> B4501
Length: 2.39 mi
Concurrent with: WLS B4391

3) If the A494 was a B road, then that makes it even more like the B4393 point where you agree with my labelling.

[panda80]

WLS B4478
Rename A4046 to A4046_S

WLS B4488
Not signed, are you sure it exists here?

WLS B4489
Rename A483_N to A483/A4118

WLS B4501
Separate the WP B5105 into 2 WP2 (there are 2 separate intersections)

WLS B4524
Rename B4565_N , S and E to B4265_N, S and E

WLS B4595
A473_Ton is off (should be moved between the branches)

WLS B4603
New WP at the intersection with Christopher Road (access to A4067)

WLS B4800
A483/A489 is off
Done until B4800.

[michih]

but baffled as to why you can't see the same applying to the B4391.

Sorry, my bad. Of course, I agree with both! I switched back and forth between B4391 and A4212.... I guess I've just mistaken them.

[michih]

B2000:
Split B2108 wp into two wps


B2004:
A289_W should be on the main carriageway. It's not a roundabout.


B2006:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.346510&lon=0.733075 - heading to A240 GSJ


B3001:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.182154&lon=-0.685798 - heading to A3 GSJ
A3 -> A3/A283


B3004:
WhiRd is off


B3006:
HonLn is off
A31/A339 is off


B3008:
A325 is off


B3012:
B3411 is off
A324 is off


B3013:
Move A287 to the center of the roundabout
Move AldRd to the center of the roundabout


B3014:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.295625&lon=-0.777036


B3018:
StrMile -> StrMile_S
Why is "The Straight Mile" = StrMile but "The Street" = TheSt?


B3020:
A329 is off


B3022:
A308 -> A308/A332


B3024:
A330_S is off
A332 -> A308/A332


B3028:
Move StaLink to the center of the roundabout


B3032:
Move A324 to the center of the roundabout


B3034:
A330_N is off


B3036:
NetFirRd -> NetFirsRd


B3040:
B3047 -> B3047/B3330


B3044:
B3330 -> B3330/B3420


B3047:
Split A33 into two wps
B3040 -> B3040/B3330

[si404]

B3018:
StrMile -> StrMile_S
Why is "The Straight Mile" = StrMile but "The Street" = TheSt?

Because we drop stuff like "The", but that looks really silly when it leaves a point called 'St', so stuff like "The Street" treats the 'The' not as some extraneous bit, but an integral part of the road name.

[michih]

B3051:
ColeHenRd is not on the main line


B3054:
A326 is off
West end is correct according to 2018 GSV but there is another branch according to OSM and 2018 GSV


B3061:
Segment at west end from A3049 to B3068 is not signed according to GSV, GM and OSM


B3066:
WestCliRd -> WestCliRd_W
A338 -> A35/A338


B3068:
A350_PooN is off now
Why do we need SlipWay wp? It breaks the concurrency to A350 but it don't get why it should.
A3049 -> A348/A3049


B3078:
Please remove A31 wp
WimSt -> WimSt_N
HillRd -> HilRd
B3080 is off


B3081:
I'd move B3081Win onto the traffic island
A31 -> A31/A338

B3086:
ThePac_E: Is The Packway more like The Straight Mile or like The Street? And I'm also not sure whether Packway one word. Should it be PackWay?


B3089:
A30 is off


B3082:
A354 -> A350/A354
A350 -> A350_N


B3091:
+X410163 is off


B3098:
A342 is off