gbnb: Great Britain B Roads

[si404]

but there is another branch according to 2018 GSV

We've been through this several times - I'm not accepting signs pointing to the mainline (as we'd have hundreds of routes to add). Spurs only count if signed pointing away from the mainline.

B3086:
ThePac_E: Is The Packway more like The Straight Mile or like The Street? And I'm also not sure whether Packway one word. Should it be PackWay?

It's very much one word (and not in the Germanic compound word way) and the definite article belongs with the name - more so than 'The Street'. There's other streets, but 'The Street' is called such as it's a Roman Road. This is 'The Packway' - only two other roads are called such in Britain, whereas there's many more 'The Street's that are Roman (and The Packway would see that as upstart new-fangled nonsense, even though the other two E-W roads in the near vicinity are older).

[michih]

but there is another branch according to 2018 GSV

We've been through this several times - I'm not accepting signs pointing to the mainline (as we'd have hundreds of routes to add). Spurs only count if signed pointing away from the mainline.

sure, and I wrote that I'll report it so that you can review it.

I think it's better to report when maps show different routes so that you can check - e.g. in case of newly opened bypasses etc. - than ignoring it for the peer-review.

Altered routes, sure - they are worth looking at. Branches? I need more evidence than just the mapping.

Yes, it makes no sense with branches of B roads but B4252 which is indicated as A469 should be checked that it's really a B road since OSM + GM show it as A469.

In addition, if we come back to the point in x months or years, we can check up how the situation was when the peer-review was done. What and why we decided this way.

[michih]

B3105:
Split B3107 into two wps


B3107:
Move NewRd to the center of the roundabout (OSM and GM show crap here compared to 2019 GSV)


B3116:
BathRd is also indicated being B3116 on GM and OSM. There is a sign at A4 on 2019 GSV but nothing for the other branch to A4175 we currently have in HB.


B3123:
A379: Add route or rename wp


B3124:
HolLn is also indicated being B3124 on OSM and GM. Our routing seems to be confirmed by 2015 and 2019 GSV.
HighSt is also indicated being B3124 on OSM and GM. Our routing seems to be confirmed by 2018 GSV. The other route is not confirmed by what I've seen.


B3128:
A3029 -> A370


B3130:
StoWay -> StoWay_W


B3134:
A368 is off
A39 is off


B3136:
I'd move A37 wp a little bit to the north which seems to be the main branch
A371_W -> A361/A371


B3138:
A377 -> A39/A377


B3139:
Split A37 into two wps


B3139Dul:
Does it exist? It's confirmed by OSM and GM but not by GSV (or I just couldn't find any evidence). I only found a sign for the other route though: 2018 GSV.


B3145:
Add A30's B3145_N wp and/or check situation in Sherborne


B3147:
A37 -> A37/A352

[michih]

B3150:
A35_E -> A35/A354


B3152:
A371 is off


B3151:
A39_S -> A39/A361
A361 -> A361_E


B3157:
OSM has an additional branch at north end but that seems to be wrong


B3170:
LisWay -> NerRd ?


B3174:
Exceeds limits b/n A3052 and Cau


B3173:
A308 -> A308/A332


B3188:
BirLn -> HighSt


B3199:
Move A379 to the center of the roundabout

[panda80]

Last round from Wales:

WLS B5381
2 new WPs, at intersection with Engine Hill and Primrose Hill (direct access to expressway exits)

WLS B5436
Rename B5347 to B5437

WLS B5437
Rename B5346 to B5436

WLS B5441
Move A494 to the center of the roundabout

Review wlsb finished, will start sctb next days.

[michih]

B3201:
A3022 -> A379/A3022
A379 -> A379_S


B3204:
A381 is off


B3205dar:
A379_W is off


B3213:
A38_E -> A38/A3121


B3215:
A3072 -> A3072/A3124


B3216:
A386 is off
A386 -> A386/A3072


B3226:
A377 is off


B3227:
WooHill is off


B3232:
A39 -> A39/A3125


B3233:
Move A386 to the center of the roundabout


B3234:
A39_W is off


B3237:
CovCarPark -> CloCarPark


B3247:
ToA374_E -> AntHill
WestSt -> WestSt_E


B3248:
ForeSt -> ForeSt_W

[michih]

B3254:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=50.455591&lon=-4.464666


B3254lis:
A38 -> A38/A390


B3263:
ForSt -> ForeSt
ValRd -> ValRow


B3270:
A33 -> M4


B3275:
A30 -> A30/A39

[michih]

B3301:
Move B3302 to the center of the roundabout


B3306:
A3071_W needs to be renamed since A3071 doesn't intersect but end here
TreRd is indicated being B3318 on OSM and GM but it seems to be wrong - or just not signed according to GSV
Is BunHill the right location for the end of the route? It's on a one-way street, I'd move it to the next junction - Church Place - or truncate the route.


B3311:
Move A30 to the center of the roundabout


B3317:
A3071 is off


B3323:
B3399 is off
A3020 -> A3020/A3054

B3327:
A3055 is off


B3330win:
Move B3404 to the center of the roundabout
B3044 -> B3044/B3420
B3040 -> B3040/B3047


B3334:
MayLn -> MaysLn see GSV


B3335:
HazRd is off
M3_S -> A3090_S
M3_N -> M3
A3090's B335_S -> B3335_S


B3339:
HomWay -> A39 as OSM + GM indicate? GSV is not clear on this


B3343:
GeoRd -> Geo


B3344:
ToA38 -> B3344 spur? GSV


B3349:
BarSt is off
HolLn is off
BarRd -> BarWay
LenSt -> BasRd_E

[michih]

B3359:
A387 is off


B3362:
NewLauRd is off
NewLauRd -> Lam   


B3369:
A35 -> A35/A350


B3373:
SouDri -> SouDr


B3374:
EdenPro -> Tre ?


B3376:
A308 -> A308/A320


B3377:
A315 is off


B3379:
A307 is off


B3380:
A38_N -> A38/A384


B3384:
A325 is off


B3398:
A3090 -> A27/A3090


B3399:
AppRd is off


B3411:
HighSt -> HighSt_S


B3414:
A36 -> A36_E


B3416:
A38_W -> A38/A374


B3421:
HamLn_E is off


B3430:
A322 is off


B3420:
B3044 -> B3044/B3330



53.95% of the routes in England done!

[panda80]

Let's briefly move to Scotland:

SCT B700
Rename A8/A70 to A8
Rename A700 to A702 and add the WP on A702

SCT B710
Move A7 between the branches

SCT B732
A76 is off

SCT B733
A714 is off

SCT B734
Add a WP at the intersection with Coalpots Road (falsely signed as B7035 in OSM)

SCT B743
A76 is off

SCT B746
Rename A759 to A759_W

SCT B749
Section between TroPort and A759 is indicated as A759 on OSM

SCT B755
Rename A7/A724 to A72/A724

SCT B763
Rename A749_N to NewSt
Rename A749_S to A749

SCT B765
Are you sure about the routing in the north? OSM gives the route over Robroyston Road, also confirmed by GSV

Done until B765.

[panda80]

SCT B769
Add WP B778 in Steverton (concurrency with A735 broken)

SCT B789
A761_E is off

SCT B799
Check routing at northern terminus. OSM and GSV indicate routing over Lancaster Avenue.

SCT B800
A90 is off


SCT B802
Add a WP in Condorrat (Motorway/Expressway access)
Concurrency with B799 broken (add WP for M8)

SCT B829
The end seems to be a little further NW


SCT B847
Rename A9 to Cal

Done until B849.

[si404]

SCT B799
Check routing at northern terminus. OSM and GSV indicate routing over Lancaster Avenue.

I drafted this area about when the M8 opened, so various changes hadn't filtered through to mapping. Rerouting the B799 on this (pre-existing) bypass was part of those changes - and one not publicised.

SCT B802
Concurrency with B799 broken (add WP for M8)

If the routes were concurrent with each other, there would be zero point in extending the B802. When drafting, I knew that the M8 was supposed to interchange with the B799, and the route avoiding the M8 junction was to be a B road. The set up as it was (until I changed it just now) had the B802 taking the avoiding route, and the B799 via the interchange.

As it is, despite plans suggesting otherwise, the B799 avoids directly intersecting with the M8 (and there's brackets on the signs) by taking what was mapped as part of the B802, rather than the route via the M8 that it was mapped as taking. B802 truncated, B799 point for the M8 removed. Points relabeled.

[michih]

B4000:
Check routing through Lambourn. B4000 is indicated in brackets at ParLn, BayRd_S and B4001_N. Only the outbound signs are without brackets. I think that they try to lead traffic on the route we have in HB but that the dedicated route is the other one with the traffic bottleneck. All wpt editor layer and GM indicate the latter route.
B4507 is off
Move A361 to the center of the roundabout


B4001:
B4507 is off
A417 is off


B4003:
A4 is off


B4006:
Route south of B4006Str was was signed in May 2017 but no longer signed in July 2017. Signs are still in place at all other junctions though - 2017 and 2018 GSV.


B4008:
A419 -> A419_W
Move M5 onto the bridge
A38_N -> A38/A430
A38 -> A38_N
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.818020&lon=-2.279599


B4009:
B4444_N is off
Move HillRd to the center of the roundabout
Split A40 into two wps
HighSt -> CasSq
BenLn is off
A329 is off
A329 -> A329_S
A4130_W -> A329/A4130
A4074_N -> A329/A4074


B4011:
A41 is off
+X127342 is off


B4012:
A40 is off


B4014:
A433/A4135 is off
A433_S is off
Move TetHill to the center of the roundabout


B4015:
A415 is off


B4016:
SirHill -> DidRd
A417 is off


B4017:
A420 is off


B4019:
Move A361_S to the center of the roundabout
Do A4311 and B4534 need B4019's B4534 wp or should the latter be removed (one wp per interchange rule?) or do A4311 and A419 need another wp at the northbound carriageway ramps?


B4022:
A4095 is off
A44 is off


B4026:
Move B4450 to the center of the roundabout


B4027:
A40 is off
Replace LowSt by wp at Middle Street
A34 is off
A4095_E is off
A4095_W is off
A4260 is off


B4030:
A4260 is off
StaRd is off
StaRd -> StaRd_E


B4031:
B4100_N is off


B4032:
+X471954 is off


B4033:
PilLn -> SinLn
A413 is off


B4034:
SunSt -> DunSt or LocRd


B4035:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=52.091258&lon=-1.942107
A46 -> A44/A46


B4037:
A361 is off


B4039:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.525322&lon=-2.277480
CroLn is not indicated nor signed here; make it hidden


B4040:
New wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=51.527367&lon=-2.276554


B4042:
+X348360 is off


B4044:
CumHill is off


B4047:
A4095 is off


I have the damn slowly loading OSM tile issue for weeks now..... It was not possible to work on norfv today and I could only do this review because I used the "German Style" OSM tile for zooming close. Hope it will be over soon.........

[si404]

B4000:
Check routing through Lambourn. B4000 is indicated in brackets at ParLn, BayRd_S and B4001_N. Only the outbound signs are without brackets. I think that they try to lead traffic on the route we have in HB but that the dedicated route is the other one with the traffic bottleneck. All wpt editor layer and GM indicate the latter route.

Official route was changed fairly recently (especially wrt 2011 GSV) to match the unofficial route. Tile mapping slow to pick up.

B4006:
Route south of B4006Str was was signed in May 2017 but no longer signed in July 2017. Signs are still in place at all other junctions though - 2017 and 2018 GSV.

Segment still signed - no change.

B4009:
Split A40 into two wps

That's really close to the overlap rule you have, but I've done it.

B4019:
Do A4311 and B4534 need B4019's B4534 wp

Yes. And truncated B4019 back to what's now labelled A419/A4311, and B4534 to A4311.

SCT B829
The end seems to be a little further NW

It ends there. Also, I think you meant NE, not NW. When I went down there there were roadworks on that tiny little lane, meaning a narrow single track road had 'road narrows' signs and dropped down to about 2m wide in place. Even for a rural Scottish B road that's extreme. Quite how the coaches managed - but they did as there was no other way they'd get to the hotel at the end!

[michih]

B4009:
Split A40 into two wps

That's really close to the overlap rule you have, but I've done it.

yes, close but not close enough