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chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
« on: May 01, 2020, 02:59:02 am »
System is ready for peer-review (920mi): http://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?sys=chegts

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Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2020, 06:25:01 am »
GTSKus
 - H4_E -> H4? H2/H4
 - add visible point in Weggis (Seestrasse?)

GTSZer - fine

GTSZur
 - BecGerFry -> GerBecFry - order of route means the ferry is Ger->Bec
 - 36(A2) is off (also A4, E35, E41)
 - 36(A2) -> A2/A4?
 - A4(40) could perhaps move
 - ChsStr -> ChaStr (also H8, and there's no s in the first bit, so if it's to disambiguate, then Chb or something)
 - add GSJs between ChsStr and H388
 - A3 is off
 - H15 -> H15_Rap
 - BergStr_W -> H716? There's a couple more like this - I presume H7xx are lower class than unsigned H2xx and H3xx whose numbers are used.
 - DufSt is slightly off
 - 66(A1) is slightly off (also A1, A4, A53 - now A15, E41, E60). In fact, the Autobahn in general could probably do with a look at and recentre. I'll ignore further such points being off
 - add point for Raststatte Kemptthal?
 - A1/A4 -> 70(A1) or A1_E as A4 is concurrent with route both sides of junction
 - H15_E -> H15_KleS
 - H15_N -> H15_KleN
 - SudUmf is off
 - MarStr is off
 - PostStr is off
 - PostStr -> PostStr_W
 - H4/H15 is off (also H13 and H14)
 - H15/H322.1 -> H13/H322
 - H352/H15 -> H13/H352
 - H15/H451 -> H13/H451
 - H7/H443 -> H7/H446
 - H443/H463 -> H446/H463
 - H448/H16 -> H16/H448?

LIE GTS - fine

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Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
« Reply #2 on: June 27, 2020, 02:25:30 pm »
BecGerFry -> GerBecFry - order of route means the ferry is Ger->Bec

There is no rule. I use the

I'm with Duke87:

For routes ending at a ferry terminal, use the names of the ferry's endpoints, near side first and far side second, followed by "Fry".


- BergStr_W -> H716? There's a couple more like this - I presume H7xx are lower class than unsigned H2xx and H3xx whose numbers are used.

I don't remember but you could be right. I think that 700s were not indicated on OSM when I drafted the route. Leave as-is since it's unsigned in any case.


- H352/H15 -> H13/H352
- H448/H16 -> H16/H448?

I've changed both but am not sure... I thought we call them according to the route order. When GTS is concurrent to H352 and continues on H13, it's called H352/H13. Or do we go with ascending order?

The rule has no preference:
https://travelmapping.net/devel/manual/wayptlabels.php#bothroutes
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If the highway jumps from one numbered multiplex to another, the most useful waypoint label would include both routes without any suffixes.

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Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
« Reply #3 on: June 28, 2020, 05:48:46 am »
General route things:

There's a short gap in central Luzern between (Main) and (Küssnacht) segments - why aren't these merged into a continuous route?

There's spurs: Saint-George to Geneve, Neuchâtel-Basel and Bellinzona-Chiasso that aren't included here, unlike the one towards Zermatt.

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Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
« Reply #4 on: June 28, 2020, 06:29:35 am »
GTS (Main)
 - H3 -> H3/H27 as changing concurrent route
 - H3/H417 -> H3_N as not a junction between GTS and H417 which is concurrent either side
 - Alv slightly off
 - Alv -> VeiaPri?
 - Tsc is off highway and at the wrong junction
 - replace shaping point east of A13 with point at Schynstrasse
 - A13 is off
 - A13 -> A13(22)
 - H417/H13 -> H13/H417 for consistency?
 - is A13(23) an actual junction?
 - replace hidden point with visible point in Andeer
 - 28(A13) is off - the A13 needs a tidy (I'll ignore further off points)
 - route needs to be concurrent with H13 between 31(A13) and A13(32)
 - shape H13 and A13 around exit 32 so that their lines don't cross
 - ToA13(38) is off
 - add point for road linking to A13(39) - also H13
 - Vit -> ViaSanCar
 - H13/H2 -> H2/H13 for consistency?
 - H2/H13 -> A13/H2 for consistency?
 - A13/A2 -> A2/A13 for consistency?
 - H408/H2 -> H2/H408 for consistency?
 - H561/H2 -> H2/H561_N (and H2/H561 -> H2/H561 for consistency?
 - A9_VisE is off (give the A9 a polish - there's a couple more)
 - GTSZer -> H212? GTSZur calls this point H9, not GTS. Also E62 and H9.
 - RouSio -> RouSion
 - H9/H21 -> H9/H21_Mar or _S to disambiguate from concurrency switch at Bex
 - make visible hidden point at Pont sur le Rhone
 - H146/H21 -> H21/H146 for consistency?
 - H9_Bex -> H9/H21 or H9/H21_Bex (concurrency switch)
 - H127 -> H147
 - H11_W -> H9/H11
 - H9_Vev -> H9/H140
 - add points between H140_N and H9_Lut (eg Route de la Corniche that would lead to H9 points either side of Cully)
 - H9_Pul -> H9/H138?
 - AveGenGui_W -> H138_W?
 - BreLau points off
 - H1_E -> H1/H138?
 - add point at Avenue Monod (links to A1 interchange, helps shape route)
 - H128/H124 -> H124/H128 for consistency?
 - H131 -> H131_S (as another junction with H131)
 - H130.1/H129 -> H129/H130.1 for consistency?
 - H130 -> H131_N
 - move H9_Val to between one-way pair?

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Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
« Reply #5 on: June 28, 2020, 11:50:54 am »
There's a short gap in central Luzern between (Main) and (Küssnacht) segments - why aren't these merged into a continuous route?

I really don't know why there is a gap. Since the system was renamed from eurtr to chegts, Github history is gone....... :(

The Küssnacht segments starts where my source indicates the starting point of GTS. I guess that's why there are two segments and maybe the end of the main route got lost anyhow. Again, Github history lost.... :(

There's spurs: Saint-George to Geneve, Neuchâtel-Basel and Bellinzona-Chiasso that aren't included here, unlike the one towards Zermatt.

My source doesn't show them but the official site indicates them. To be added... Including wild guess about the exact routes.... Damn tourist shit....
« Last Edit: June 28, 2020, 11:54:21 am by michih »

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Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
« Reply #6 on: June 28, 2020, 11:51:38 am »
In fact, the Autobahn in general could probably do with a look at and recentre.

Done.

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Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
« Reply #7 on: June 28, 2020, 12:51:04 pm »
GTS (Main) continued
 - H5/H151 -> H5_N or similar (H151 is concurrent both sides of point)
 - A5 -> A5(2) (and adjust autobahn to get points precise - also A8)
 - H151/H149 -> H149/H151 for consistency?
 - H149_W -> H149_N
 - add points to correspond with H10 points along parallel section
 - RueVieMou -> RueSaiEti (also H5)
 - H10/AutGalsIns is a yucky name: H10_E?
 - AutGalsIns/H153 -> H153_N
 - H182_W -> H182_N; H182_E -> H182_S
 - LauStr -> RueLau? even the German Style OSM has the French even as it ups the German
 - H182/H12 -> H12/H182 for consistency?
 - H180.1/H180 -> H180/H180.1 for consistency?
 - H180_N -> H180_S (as concurrency split)
 - H180_S -> H180_N (as concurrency split)
 - H191/H190 -> H190/H191 for consistency?
 - H190/H11 -> H11/H190 for consistency?
 - JaunPass -> H219
 - H6_S -> H6_W as concurrency split
 - A8(24) -> H221.4_S (also H6 and H11 as H221.4)
 - H221_IntE -> H221_Int
 - replace hidden point in Interlaken with visible one (at Beatenbergstrasse?)
 - H221_IntW -> H221_E as concurrency split
 - H221.4 -> H221.4_N
 - replace visible point in Oberhofen with visible point. Gunten/Sigriswil is big enough to deserve a visible point, and probably Hilterfingen and Hunibach.
 - split H6_W into two as there's a concurrency there. Name as H6_N and H6_S
 - rename hidden point in Thun as MitStr_W as also leads to A6(16)
 - H6_N -> H6/H221.1
 - H221.1/H221 for consistency?
 - H231/H230 -> H231/H230 for consistency?
 - add point at Belpstrasse as leads to H221 GSJ and helps with clear shaping
 - H234.5/H23 -> H23/H234.5 for consistency?
 - H245_S -> H245_W; H245_N -> H245_E ?
 - H229.2/H23 -> H23/H229.2 for consistency?
 - H243/H10 -> H10/H243 for consistency?
 - H10/H2a -> H2a/H10 for consistency?
 - H362 is off (also H23)
 - H290/H26 -> H26/H290 for consistency?
 - make hidden point east of H26/H291 visible at SchStr (Seengen is definitely big enough for a point!)
 - H298/H26 -> H26/H298 for consistency?
 - H26/H2 -> H2/H26 for consistency?
 - H4_W -> H2a/H4

I did a lot of this earlier - stuff like autobahn point locations might have been addressed already.

There's a lot of these 'for consistency' label order changes - probably easier to change back those previously changed! I thought it was a rule (I definitely remember Tim imposing it on me)

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Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
« Reply #8 on: June 28, 2020, 01:02:17 pm »
To be added... Including wild guess about the exact routes.... Damn tourist shit....
There's GPS/KML data here if needed.

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Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
« Reply #9 on: June 28, 2020, 01:50:24 pm »
- route needs to be concurrent with H13 between 31(A13) and A13(32)

Concurrent to A13


- GTSZer -> H212? GTSZur calls this point H9, not GTS. Also E62 and H9.

H9 and GTSZer are TM routes. H212 is not a TM route.



- H10/AutGalsIns is a yucky name: H10_E?
 - AutGalsIns/H153 -> H153_N

It's the name of the TM route. Leave as-is.


- LauStr -> RueLau? even the German Style OSM has the French even as it ups the German

Nope. Zoom in closer. It's Rue de Lusanne in Meyriez (FR) but Lusannestrasse in Maurten (DE) :)
btw: It think that German style OSM uses the very same data and just uses a different style.


- H6_S -> H6_W as concurrency split

There is already a H6_W


- H221_IntE -> H221_Int
- H221_IntW -> H221_E as concurrency split

Sorry, don't get it. I'd go with _IntE/_IntW or _W/_E but no mismatch


- make hidden point east of H26/H291 visible at SchStr

There is already Schrabachstrasse. ScuStr for school street is fine.


There's a lot of these 'for consistency' label order changes - probably easier to change back those previously changed! I thought it was a rule (I definitely remember Tim imposing it on me)

I had already changed them... chegts will will be this way.

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Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
« Reply #10 on: June 28, 2020, 03:20:21 pm »
To be added... Including wild guess about the exact routes.... Damn tourist shit....
There's GPS/KML data here if needed.

The routes are called:

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- Core route
- Initial stretch Basel - Neuchâtel
- Initial stretch Geneva - Saint-George
- Initial stretch Chiasso - Bellinzona

Also called "Einstiegsetappe", "Route d’accès" or "Tappa introduttiva".

I had only drafted the core route. I'm not sure whether we should / must add the other branches but... Chiasso - Bellinzona is already drafted as "Lugano" segment and the remaining two routes will follow if there are no objections...

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Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
« Reply #11 on: June 29, 2020, 04:09:27 pm »
I've added the remaining "initial stretch" routes.

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Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
« Reply #12 on: July 04, 2020, 01:55:27 pm »
Lugano
 - H2/H13_N -> GTS? (it seems to be how you've done it elsewhere)
 - ViaGiuSep -> ViaGiuLep
 - A13/H13_W -> A13_Loc (H13 remains concurrent either side)
 - A13_AscW -> A13_AscA (directional suffixes seem odd. additionally this route is N-S and so W-E labels to determine order is odd)
 - A13_AscE -> A13_AscB (see above)
 - A13/H13_E -> H13_Loc (A13 remains concurrent either side)
 - H406_S -> A13/H406 (concurrency change)
 - does it really just fall short of the border?

Geneva
 - A1 -> A1(12)?
 - RueCel -> RouCel (also H1)
 - add point just north of A1a for access to A1(9) (also H1)

Basel
(Delémont)
 - H5 -> GTS?
 - RueEcl -> RueEcl_E
 - RueJuin -> Reu23Juin
 - add H248_S (also H18)
 - RuePet -> RouPre and is off
(France)
 - remove brackets from name in csvs
(Basel)
- point for Bottmingerstrasse?
(St Johann)
- 5(A3) -> GTS?

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Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
« Reply #13 on: July 04, 2020, 03:29:24 pm »
- H2/H13_N -> GTS? (it seems to be how you've done it elsewhere)

No, I used Axx or Hxx because they are TM routes. I didn't use Hxxx labels which are not TM routes. Instead, I used GTSZer and GTSGen wps at GTS and GTS at GTSGen.

http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.292274&lon=7.879386
http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.513866&lon=6.260211

I also used GTS at Hxx routes where GTS continues on a Hxxx route.

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Re: chegts: Grand Tour of Switzerland
« Reply #14 on: July 06, 2020, 12:57:59 pm »
Any further comments before activation?