usafl: Florida State Highways

[neroute2]

I-4: I'm confused about why 7 exists, when US 301's point there is labeled US 92, not I-4.
I-4: move 33 to the underpass
I-4: 81A and 81B are now one interchange serving both roads
I-4: 82 will be folded into 82A when construction is done
I-4: the westbound entrance from GoreSt (between 82 and 82A) is missing; this will remain even after construction is done
I-4: "83" is signed as 82B
I-4: the permanent numbers in the 83A-83B-84 area are: (eastbound) 84A Amelia and 84B Colonial and (westbound) 84A Colonial and 84B Ivanhoe; I don't know how to handle this properly; maybe 83A -> 84A, 83B -> 84, 84 -> 84B
I-10: move 362 west to the underpass
I-75: add 128A?
I-95: 3 -> 2D or 3A
I-95: move 14 to the underpass
I-95: "32A" is part of 33
I-95: 69 -> 69B, 69B -> 69A
I-95: 193 is open
I-95: 261 -> 260C
I-95: 353A is at Church Street, not Beaver Street; Beaver/Union is 353B and Kings is 353C, so probably add 353A, then 353A -> 353B and 353B -> 353C
I-95: 359 -> ClaSt
I-175: MLKJrStS -> MLKJrSt
I-195: move 2B west to the underpass
I-275: 41 -> 41A, 41C -> 41B (and recenter this area)
I-275: add 44A at US 41 Bus.?
I-275: move 46A south to the underpass
I-295: 55 -> 54
I-375: 10thSt -> MLKJrSt and move east; delete 8thStN since it's part of the same interchange
I-395: 2A and 2B are both eastbound and both dump out at 2nd Avenue; the only exit westbound is 2; it should probably just be 2 as one interchange
FLTP: 211th Street is one of the primary destinations for exit 12 northbound, but not for exit 11 southbound. So maybe 11A -> 12, 12 -> 12A, 12A -> 12B (or US1_Cut)?
FLTP: 49 -> 49A and 49A -> 49B? or just combine?
FLTP: move 58 south to the main overpass
FLTP: move 97 south to the underpass
FLTP: 309 -> I-75 (if it needs a number, 307 is correct)
FLTPmia: 0X isn't signed, so maybe 0X -> FL826 and 0XA -> I-95?
FLTPmia: 4XA -> FL852 (no exits, only entrances)

[rickmastfan67]

US 41: I know this has already been debated, but with US 1 being moved, the piece of supposed US 41 on Brickell now has no signed designation. This goes against our aim to only include routes that the public can learn about without digging into AASHTO documents.

Just quickly commenting on this one, I thought we were still under the practice of allowing 'unsigned' mainline US highways till there official end.  If we're going to shorten US-41, we would need to do the same to US-74 in TN (as it's official end is @ I-24 on I-75).  So, this might be worthwhile being talked about in general in a completely separate thread.

[AARoads]

On a side note, it seems that fl.fl070bra (the weird separate 'N/S' segment from the mainline) had it's signage removed as of late, sometime between June '18 & November '18.  So, it will be removed from the site.  It's still listed in the GIS data, so, who knows if it will ever come back, but I honestly doubt it.  Labels in both US-301 & FL-64 have been adjusted.
1) Going NB just after US-301: June '18 signed -> November '18 no longer signed
2) Going SB just after US-301: June '18 signed -> November '18 no longer signed
3) Going SB just after 'northern' end @ FL-64: June '18 signed -> November '18 no longer signed
4) Going NB just after 44th Ave E: May '16 signed -> November '18 no longer signed

This was news to me.

There were at least two other shields, one posted ahead of 9th/MLK Avenue: https://www.aaroads.com/fl/070/fl-070-s-at-7th-av-e-2.jpg
and another at the separation with 15th Street E/301 Blvd north: https://www.aaroads.com/fl/070/fl-070-n-at-301-bl-1.jpg
Both also gone.

The Straight Line Diagram revised on 3/6/18 still inventoried SR 70 for 3.030 miles along 15th Street E between 301 Blvd and SR 64.
FDOT converted the intersection of SR 70 and MLK Avenue to a roundabout this year: http://www.swflroads.com/sr70/mlkat15th/index.html
Perhaps they relinquished the route afterward?

I will try to find more information on this.

[rickmastfan67]

On a side note, it seems that fl.fl070bra (the weird separate 'N/S' segment from the mainline) had it's signage removed as of late, sometime between June '18 & November '18.  So, it will be removed from the site.  It's still listed in the GIS data, so, who knows if it will ever come back, but I honestly doubt it.  Labels in both US-301 & FL-64 have been adjusted.
1) Going NB just after US-301: June '18 signed -> November '18 no longer signed
2) Going SB just after US-301: June '18 signed -> November '18 no longer signed
3) Going SB just after 'northern' end @ FL-64: June '18 signed -> November '18 no longer signed
4) Going NB just after 44th Ave E: May '16 signed -> November '18 no longer signed

This was news to me.

There were at least two other shields, one posted ahead of 9th/MLK Avenue: https://www.aaroads.com/fl/070/fl-070-s-at-7th-av-e-2.jpg
and another at the separation with 15th Street E/301 Blvd north: https://www.aaroads.com/fl/070/fl-070-n-at-301-bl-1.jpg
Both also gone.

The Straight Line Diagram revised on 3/6/18 still inventoried SR 70 for 3.030 miles along 15th Street E between 301 Blvd and SR 64.
FDOT converted the intersection of SR 70 and MLK Avenue to a roundabout this year: http://www.swflroads.com/sr70/mlkat15th/index.html
Perhaps they relinquished the route afterward?

I will try to find more information on this.

If they had relinquished it, why still keep it in the GIS data?

[rickmastfan67]

401: where does the name ChrColRd come from? How about CT5-10?
404: CR509 -> WicRd

401: Came from OSM to be honest.  As for the 'new' label, I guess that can work for now.  However, I did see on that on mainline 401, that they're planning on finally installing a BGS for this exit, as it's on the side of the road in the most recent StreetView.  So, something to keep an eye on for the future I would think in case the label needs to be updated again.
404: Changed.  On a side note, NE2 do you have any info on 'exit numbers' for the route?  OSM is showing exit numbers for all the interchanges now, but don't want to jump the gun and add them into TM if they were a fictional addition to OSM.

408: should 11A be an alternate label for 10C?
415 should have a point at CR4162, which connects to I-4.

408: I'm tempted to leave this as-is for now.  Mainly because of the 'free' movement from 10A -> 10C going EB that still currently exists.  On a side note, will '10C' still be there after the end of the I-4 Ultimate construction, or will it need to be removed due to the new ramps from I-4 to EB FL-408?
415: Added.

419/434: GarAve -> EagWindAve
435: I-4 needs recentering
435: CR526 -> OldWinGarRd (CR 526 isn't signed here)

419/434: Gotta love it when a road name is changed due to a new development.....  Label updated in both.
435(a): Updated, as well as in I-4's file.  Also took the chance and added in the new 'Express Lane' exit for Grandnational Drive on I-4, since it will be a full movement interchange separate from 75B, and has at least one ramp open due to being used as a detour for EB I-4 Exit #75B.  Too bad no signage mentions if it will be getting a number, and thus currently have it added as 'GraDr'.
435(b): Done.

50: CR435 -> HiaRd, CR431 -> PineHilRd (not signed here)

50: Both updated.  However, CR431 is signed along FL-408, lol.

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Changes all made in my local files.

[neroute2]

404: Changed.  On a side note, NE2 do you have any info on 'exit numbers' for the route?  OSM is showing exit numbers for all the interchanges now, but don't want to jump the gun and add them into TM if they were a fictional addition to OSM.

Looks fake. More recent GSV shows no numbers.

408: I'm tempted to leave this as-is for now.  Mainly because of the 'free' movement from 10A -> 10C going EB that still currently exists.  On a side note, will '10C' still be there after the end of the I-4 Ultimate construction, or will it need to be removed due to the new ramps from I-4 to EB FL-408?

10C will still be there, braided with the eastbound onramp. They're also building a right-side westbound onramp from Lucerne Circle to replace the former left entrance (the ramp from Division is temporary).

435(a): Updated, as well as in I-4's file.  Also took the chance and added in the new 'Express Lane' exit for Grandnational Drive on I-4, since it will be a full movement interchange separate from 75B, and has at least one ramp open due to being used as a detour for EB I-4 Exit #75B.  Too bad no signage mentions if it will be getting a number, and thus currently have it added as 'GraDr'.

This is a permanent sign.

[rickmastfan67]

435(a): Updated, as well as in I-4's file.  Also took the chance and added in the new 'Express Lane' exit for Grandnational Drive on I-4, since it will be a full movement interchange separate from 75B, and has at least one ramp open due to being used as a detour for EB I-4 Exit #75B.  Too bad no signage mentions if it will be getting a number, and thus currently have it added as 'GraDr'.

This is a permanent sign.

Fun, Express Lane exits not getting numbers.  Boy, this will be annoying.

[rickmastfan67]

500atav: FL500 -> US441
508: EddAllSt -> EddAllRd

Both fixed.

528: move 4A west to OBT?
528: 20 is closed and 19 is open

A) Hmmm, if anything should be changed here, I would think it could be centered on Landstreet Road instead, as there's 0 direct ramps to OBT. But the reason I have it where I do is because of the direct ramps to the Turnpike being wedged in there.  Thus, I think it can stay as-is due to no need for a graph connection here since it doesn't connect to US-17/92/441.
B) 19 added, 20 marked as closed.

540: JacLeeLn is an unposted gated driveway. Change to a shaping point?
540cyp: RegRd -> LegWay

540: Done.
540cyp: Done.

563: HarBlvd_S -> BeaBlvd? or should it be moved farther south to about here per GIS?
566 should be reversed to go from west to east

563: BeaBlvd.  I would have been willing to move it to that place you had suggested, IF like other roads, it would have had the "Begin/End Maintenance" signage.  But since it's lacking it here, best option is to leave it @ BeaBlvd since there's at least a 'SB' sign between it & FL-570.
566: Signed as a N/S route @ US-92, however, signed as a E/W route @ I-4.  Unfortunately, there is 0 shields along the route itself except @ it's two ends, and only on the intersecting routes to help settle this question.  Gonna leave this one as-is till FDOT either puts a few shields on the route itself with a directional banner, or till the banners on one of the intersecting routes are changed to match the other.

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These changes + the last few posts have been now submitted.
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3309

[rickmastfan67]

686: TerPkwy -> TerBlvd
693: CenAve -> CR150 (reassurance after you turn)
693: 38thAve -> CR184 (ditto)

686: Fixed.
693: Both verified, and changed.

708: OldDixHwy -> PBObaHwy
710: SilFoxLn -> FoxBroRd (the more major side)
713: TunFeeRd[sic] is a ramp with no street signs.

708: Changed.
710: Changed (probably was that way originally before 'FoxBroRd' was rerouted to there).
713: There's a house on it with an address number of 6415, so it has to have a name. :-/ Maybe name it as 'FromUS1'? I know it seems like a weird name, but that's the best thing I can come up with since it's one-way from US-1 and you can't use it to get to that road.

717: CR880 -> FL880 (it's signed correctly at this end)
732jen: BreDr is an apartment entrance with no sign
739: US41Bus_S -> FL82? I can't find any signage pointing US 41 Bus. along SR 82

717: Changed (but to be honest, 880 has always been a thorn because of it's signage and if it was supposed to be signed as a County Route, even though maintained by FDOT).
732jen: I think that the name is legit.  While there's no street blade @ FL-732, there is one just a little bit beyond the intersection @ another one.  I'll take a leap of faith here, and say no change is needed.
739: I don't get why they sign the "END" shield for US-41 Business & FL-80 on the small segment in downtown, just to add 'TO' banners for it along FL-82.....  With US-41 Business, I think we can safely lump it in the same category as US-19 Truck in the Pittsburgh, PA area that has the 'unsigned' gap in it along I-279/376 & keep it as one file (and on a side note, I'll change the 'FL82_E' label to 'FL82/739' in US41BusFor's file).  As for the label in FL-739's file, I think swapping it to 'FL82' should be ok here.

776: OldEngd -> OldEngRd
780: extend east to FruRd_E (not CobRd; that's being realigned to the east)

776: Fixed.
780: Extended to where the pavement changes color in the Sat imagery, as that's where the 'END' shield is going the other direction.

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These changes have been submitted.
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3322

[neroute2]

713: There's a house on it with an address number of 6415, so it has to have a name. :-/ Maybe name it as 'FromUS1'? I know it seems like a weird name, but that's the best thing I can come up with since it's one-way from US-1 and you can't use it to get to that road.

Property appraiser says 6415 TURNPIKE FEEDER RD. So I guess just fix spelling to TurFeeRd or TpkFeeRd.

[rickmastfan67]

713: There's a house on it with an address number of 6415, so it has to have a name. :-/ Maybe name it as 'FromUS1'? I know it seems like a weird name, but that's the best thing I can come up with since it's one-way from US-1 and you can't use it to get to that road.

Property appraiser says 6415 TURNPIKE FEEDER RD. So I guess just fix spelling to TurFeeRd or TpkFeeRd.

Went with "TpkFeeRd".

[oscar]

717: Changed (but to be honest, 880 has always been a thorn because of it's signage and if it was supposed to be signed as a County Route, even though maintained by FDOT).

Is FL880 going to be added to the HB?

[rickmastfan67]

800: why is FroRd not east at the underpass?
807 ends at AirCen

800: This one could be debatable because of the left-turn lanes near the gore point for the EB-ramp. That's why I had it where I did in the first place splitting the distance between them & the right-only road just to the east.
807: 'END' shield wasn't there previously when I crafted the route, hence having it end @ US-98/FL-80 due to lack of signage above that interchange.  Will now extend it to AirCen.

811: isn't I-95 part of the FL786 interchange?
814: as of April 2019, it is still signed on US 1 and with a JCT assembly SR A1A; it we want to be consistent we should either restore this or truncate 845

811: I would say no since that 'ramp' for the I-95 point doesn't connect at all with FL-786.  If it had, I wouldn't have added the separate point.
814: Signage is on 'FL-811' too.  However, signage on the 'mainline' @ 'FL-811' was removed between July '16 & June '18.  Same goes @ US-1 on the 'mainline' (April '16 vs June '18).  With this evidence (I'm guessing they forgot about the 'side-street' signage) and lack of signage on the mainline itself on imagery after April '16, keeping this as-is.

818: NobHillRd -> 100thAve
842efl is gone from GIS, and signage seems to have been removed

818: Verified & fixed.
842efl: Signage removed between July '18 & March '19 at where I had the file starting.  Will delete in the next update. Label in A1AFor has been updated as well.

845: GIS shows it being removed from Palm Beach County, which apparently happened in 2017, but it's still signed as of April 2019
850: GIS shows it's gone; as of April 2019, signs are still present at the east end, with at least one JCT assembly still at the west end

845: GIS does show this, but as you said, signage is still shown via StreetView, so gonna keep it as-is till we know signage has been removed.  (Maybe Palm Beach County has a 'connecting' deal to keep the signage up??)
850: Ooof, another annoying one like 845 above.  Seems like Palm Beach County doesn't like to remove FDOT signage & to leave it in place instead when they take it over....  

880 is signed as state at the east end but county at the west end
886: FloWay -> PortBlvd?

880: As mentioned in the '717' entry, signage for this route has always been a thorn to add it or not.  However, I'll be adding it to the HB in my next FL update.  Label for 'west' end has also been updated in both FL-15 & FL-80's files.
886: To be honest, I'm now starting to debate with myself if this route should be considered as 'unsigned' and removed, even though it has the one shield @ US-1.  So, I'm not even going to fiddle with this file ATM.

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Changes all made in my local files.

[neroute2]

Off topic: care to revert this crap?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/floridaeditor/history

[rickmastfan67]

Off topic: care to revert this crap?
https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/floridaeditor/history

Not sure what exactly would need to be reverted (didn't really look @ the changesets).  Plus, I unfortunately don't have the time right now to really play around with OSM.