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IL: some changes in mostly-western Illinois
« on: January 31, 2020, 07:11:26 pm »
US 20: move IL35 west to the underpass
US 20: add FreLakeRd to stay within tolerance
US 20: CR4 -> EliScaRd
US 20: GeoRd -> MainSt_W
US 20: ScoCamRd -> ScoRd, move south
US 20: +X04 -> LogRd
US 20: add a shaping point west of SprRd to stay within tolerance
US 20: PecRd -> CR18
US 20: CRT42 -> GarPraRd
US 20: +X15 -> CRA42
US 20: I-90 -> I-90(42) since there's another interchange near Indiana
US 20: AllRd -> CR3 and move north
US 20: BarRd -> CR43
US 20: BloRd -> CR4
US 20: I-294 -> I-294(33)
US 20: add RaiAve east of I-294 (signed to IL 64)
US 12/US 20/US 45: US66His -> JolRd
US 12/US 20/US 41: EwiAve -> EwiAve_S
US 12/US 20/US 41: add AveB or I-90(107)

US 51: IL3/37 -> IL37
US 51: OldUS51_A -> DonRd
US 51: CR1 -> CobRd
US 51: OldUS51_B -> MakRd
US 51: OldUS51_C -> IllAve_S
US 51: CR18 -> TruTraRd
US 51: ElkRd -> BoaSt
US 51: WasSt_DuQ -> WasSt_N
US 51: CR8 -> KimRd
US 51: DubRd -> DuBoisRd
US 51: CR5 -> 1stSt
US 51: Old51Rd -> OldRte51
US 51: CR2000 -> CR13
US 51: MainSt_Ram -> CR24
US 51: E1000N -> 1000N
US 51: LeaAve -> TayFinBla
US 51: E1400N -> 1400NRd
US 51: move SMainSt_Mow northeast and NMainSt_Mow south
US 51: AndSt -> CR32
US 51: WatSt_S -> BusRte51_S (that's the street name) and move northeast to the overpass
US 51: WatSt -> BusRte51_N
US 51: ForSt -> CR20
US 51: +X18 -> DurRd
US 51: WasSt_Mar -> CR58

3: IL37 -> US51/37
3: CR4 -> RaiSt
3/146: CavRd -> RefRd
3: add GraTowRd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.626435&lon=-89.481626 to eliminate a visible distance "error"
3: CR5 -> TownCreRd
3: add HogHillRd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.823480&lon=-89.657643 and CR5 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.840428&lon=-89.700494 to eliminate a visible distance "error"; delete +X07
3: add WatSt http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.885193&lon=-89.786496 and delete +X08
3 has the wrong routing in Chester, as mentioned in this thread and never fixed.
3: LibSt -> EvaRd
3: move AmesRd northwest to the next intersection
3: add KasRd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.289499&lon=-90.135312 to eliminate a visible distance "error"; delete +X13
3: add PacAve http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.642367&lon=-90.157521
3: move +X16 south to CanSt
3: Bro -> BroAve, move southwest
3: move +X17 northeast to RockRd
3: add ChaRocRd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.762148&lon=-90.124497 to match US 66hischi
3: HawAve -> HawSt
3: add StLouAve http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.882623&lon=-90.119112 and Bro http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=38.884519&lon=-90.123832
3/111: move +X19/+X03 west to WasAve
3/111: ToUS67 -> AltSquDr
3: CR9 -> OttRd

17: End -> 1stSt
17: CR14 -> SweRd? nothing is signed; also move west
17: CR9_N -> CR9, CR9_S -> CR30 and move north
17: CR8 -> CampGroRd
17: CR7 -> YanLn
17: CR6 -> CR6_S; maybe add CR6_N a mile to the west
17: US66Byp -> OldRte66
17: 3300Rd -> CR3
17: LehRd -> CR28
17: US45/52_* -> US45_*? since 52 is east-west
17/1: CR2/33 -> CR2 and move west or CR33 and move north
17/1: +X17 -> CR9 and move southeast
17/1: CR9 -> MainSt_S

57: CR79 -> FallCreRd
57: CR21 -> 24thSt
57: RJPDr -> RJPetDr
57: move US24 north half a block and west half a block

84: HubRd -> CRY
84: 12thSt -> CREE
84: 157thAve -> CRBB
84: CR26 -> MerRd
84: 5thAve -> NParkAve
84: MainSt_Tho -> ArgoFayRd
84: MarRd -> MisPalSP_N
84: CR17 -> JefSt_E

92: 1stSt -> CRH
92: AndRd -> AndRd_E
92: SunLn -> 31stAve
92: 24thSt_N -> FortArmAve??
92: move 24thSt_S north half a block
92: add 14thSt in Moline (leads to a bridge)
92: I-74 doesn't have access; replace with 23rdSt
92/5: DenRd -> CRY
92: CR5 -> AtkRd
92: WyaWalRd -> 5thSt

96: MisRivRd -> MisRivRd_S?
96: CR11 -> MainSt
96: 820N -> ZebPikeRd and move southeast
96: CR1 -> MisSt
96: 400thAve -> 400thAve_E
96: CR51 -> 400thAve_W and move it east
96: PayRd -> PayRd_W
96: TurRd -> 2850thAve or TurSt
96: CR23 -> 350N
96: CR1050 -> 1090N
96: +X12 -> SutRd and move northwest
96: CR2000 -> 2010N
96: CR1000 -> ConRd and move northwest

100: LasSt -> ElsRd
100/16: move JoePageBr east as 035E, which is where the bridge touches down
100: CR1 -> ParkSt
100: MicHolRd -> HamRd
100: RivDr -> 3930E
100: CR10 -> VinFizHwy
100: NapLn -> NapRd
100: OldUS67 -> SBI3
100: CR8 -> BadRd or WalSt
100: US24/136 -> US136_W
100/US 24: add DutHenRd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.377021&lon=-90.172305 and AveL http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.385978&lon=-90.155160 to stay within tolerance

111: add ColRd_E and ColRd_W south of I-55
111: I-55 -> I-55/70
111: HawAve -> HawSt
111/267: recenter OakRestRd
111/267: MainSt -> MainSt_S
111: CR23 -> DepSt
111: +X12 -> BoyRd
111: CR12 -> StaSt_Pal, StaSt -> StaSt_ESL
111: CR13 -> StaSt_Mod

143: EdwRd -> EdwRd_W
143: SIURd -> UniDr (or SIUE per exit signage?)
143: move GovPkwy west
143: +X03 -> TroAve
143: PokRd -> PocRd

150: BriBypRd -> BriBypRd_N
150: CouFarmRd -> MurRd
150: add CheRd at Bremen?
150: CR3 -> ShaTr_W
150/4: CR23 -> BroAve
150: +X08 -> CutTriRd
150: +X09 -> NorSt
150: +X10 -> JamRd (moved south)

164: CR3 -> 1350E
164: CR15 -> 140thSt
« Last Edit: February 02, 2020, 11:25:06 am by neroute2 »

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Re: IL: some changes in mostly-western Illinois
« Reply #1 on: February 05, 2020, 01:48:22 am »
Is there a particular reason you want me to rename county road intersections?

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Re: IL: some changes in mostly-western Illinois
« Reply #2 on: February 05, 2020, 07:10:32 am »
Is there a particular reason you want me to rename county road intersections?
Because the county route numbers aren't signed.

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Re: IL: some changes in mostly-western Illinois
« Reply #3 on: February 16, 2020, 05:38:59 pm »
I have taken your suggestions and submitted new files, with the following comments.

US 20: move IL35 west to the underpass
This point is located central to the turn lanes on 20.

US 20: +X04 -> LogRd
Just because a gravel road makes a good shaping point does not mean it needs to be active.

US 51: IL3/37 -> IL37
IL3 ends here, and despite the duplex, I think the point name can remain.

US 51: OldUS51A/B/C
In each case, the name of the road is Old US Highway 51. In A's case, I have no idea where you got that name. In B's case, it comes close to but does not touch and I think this designation is more useful.

US 51: CR1 -> CobRd
I don't know where you got this name. If it must be renamed it should be BellHillRd.

US 51: WasSt_DuQ -> WasSt_N
There are two Washington Street intersections on US 51, hence this name.

US 51: Old51Rd -> OldRte51
The name of the road is, in fact, Old Highway 51, so I should change it to OldUS51_D.

US 51: CR2000->CR13
Already have a CR13, but I can add county suffixes to both.

US 51: move SMainSt_Mow northeast and NMainSt_Mow south
These points were put where they were for accuracy in travel in the pre-bypass alignment. I will relocate those named points, but the locations the points previously were will be renamed 2700N and HilRd.

US 51: WatSt_S -> BusRte51_S (that's the street name) and move northeast to the overpass
US 51: WatSt -> BusRte51_N
The southern point is centered in the interchange. As for the names, I think it would make more sense to revert to US51BusDec_S despite its official decommissioning, and use BusRte51 as the name for the double back on the freeway.

17: CR9_N -> CR9, CR9_S -> CR30 and move north
This is designed to "square off" the intersection and best accommodate either direction of travel. Will not rename CR9_N as the other CR9 point (which I will also not rename) is in use.

17: US45/52_* -> US45_*? since 52 is east-west
I'm taking 45 as the dominant route, therefore N/S points.

17/1: CR2/33 -> CR2 and move west or CR33 and move north
This way the point serves both roads, "squares off" the intersection, and accommodates either direction of travel.

17/1: +X17 -> CR9 and move southeast
This point is designed to "square off" the intersection for greater overall accuracy.

92: I-74 doesn't have access; replace with 23rdSt
I'm not fiddling with this until the I-74 bridge project is completed.

57: move US24 north half a block and west half a block
This required changing three files (US 24, IL 57, IL 104).

3/146: CavRd -> RefRd
Caveness Road goes to the west. I don't see a problem here.

3: LibSt -> EvaRd
GMSV and OSM both say this is Liberty Street.

3/111: ToUS67 -> AltSquDr
In my opinion, this name is more useful so as to assist anyone who is looking for the US 67 intersection that doesn't exist.

100: LasSt -> ElsRd
A better name would be MillSt. (Maybe a hair of MisSt, but it's mainly Mill after that.)

100: RivDr -> 3930E
OSM says this is Riverview Drive, just as I have it.

100: NapLn -> NapRd
Google OSM, AND the official county map say this is Naples Lane, and it really should be CR3.

100: OldUS67 -> SBI3
This is, believe it or not, a designation from 1918 that somehow has made it to Google Maps. The full name is State Bond Issue 3 (not "South BI 3"), which was the number given to a north-south state highway that partially became US 67 later. If I were to rename it at all, it would be MarSt.

100/US 24: add DutHenRd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.377021&lon=-90.172305 and AveL http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.385978&lon=-90.155160 to stay within tolerance
These are not prominent enough for visible points.

150: CouFarmRd -> MurRd
Google, OSM, and the county PDF map say this is County Farm Road.

84: HubRd -> CRY
This is the name of the street.

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Re: IL: some changes in mostly-western Illinois
« Reply #4 on: February 17, 2020, 12:23:00 pm »
Are you unaware of the links to GSV photos I have provided for most changes?

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Re: IL: some changes in mostly-western Illinois
« Reply #5 on: February 17, 2020, 09:14:43 pm »
Are you unaware of the links to GSV photos I have provided for most changes?
And how old are these GSV photos? Are they from 2019, or late 2018?

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Re: IL: some changes in mostly-western Illinois
« Reply #6 on: February 17, 2020, 09:43:47 pm »
Are you unaware of the links to GSV photos I have provided for most changes?
And how old are these GSV photos? Are they from 2019, or late 2018?
If that's a serious question, you can click and find out. If it's snark implying that they're invalid because they're a few years old, though still newer than the wpt files, you can get out of here with your obstructionism.

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Re: IL: some changes in mostly-western Illinois
« Reply #7 on: February 17, 2020, 10:40:14 pm »
Are you unaware of the links to GSV photos I have provided for most changes?
And how old are these GSV photos? Are they from 2019, or late 2018?
If that's a serious question, you can click and find out. If it's snark implying that they're invalid because they're a few years old, though still newer than the wpt files, you can get out of here with your obstructionism.

You're the one complaining about the map maintainers ignoring, or even shooting down, your suggested edits.  I'm just suggesting one reason why you're being blown off.
Otherwise, if you're looking to be the center of attention, go start your own site.

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Re: IL: some changes in mostly-western Illinois
« Reply #8 on: February 19, 2020, 07:15:52 am »
A recent update on IL104 changed waypoint 0 from US24 to simply US. Is this correct?

Should it have remained US24 or perhaps been renamed US24/57

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Re: IL: some changes in mostly-western Illinois
« Reply #9 on: February 24, 2020, 10:14:26 pm »
Are you unaware of the links to GSV photos I have provided for most changes?
Many of your suggested changes are cosmetic changes to minor points that, quite often, are not technically wrong the way they are.

It's not my fault Illinois is inconsistent to the point of insane in how county roads are or are not marked. Might I be imposing a method of uniformity that is not there in the field? Yes. Should that require redoing handfuls of points on multiple routes? No. I am doing what I think works best for the overall function of the system and the user.

If two online maps and the DOT say a particular road is one thing, and signage says another, I will tend to go with the former because that is what the user will see when compiling a log. If there's an error in its road type, such as Street when it should be Avenue, it could just be GIGO as applied to the maps, or I might have entered something wrong way back in 2006-08.

These files were made, by and large, before Google Maps Street View existed. I worked off the best information I had available. If you see an error or change in alignment that needs to be corrected to make the existence of that route in the log correct, please let me know. But if the point as it exists conveys the information it needs to convey and is technically correct in some sense, especially for all those minor roads that a handful of users MIGHT need, I do not see reason to "fix" those.

bejacob: Typo on my part. Had a space in it. Should be US24/57 now.

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Re: IL: some changes in mostly-western Illinois
« Reply #10 on: February 25, 2020, 06:18:58 am »
bejacob: Typo on my part. Had a space in it. Should be US24/57 now.

It is. I probably wouldn't have noticed it except that I was fixing some errors I made in my own list file form a recent trip to AR and LA and this one popped up as well. Figured I'd mention it. Thanks for fixing it so quickly.

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Re: IL: some changes in mostly-western Illinois
« Reply #11 on: March 05, 2020, 12:45:55 am »
92: I-74 doesn't have access; replace with 23rdSt
I'm not fiddling with this until the I-74 bridge project is completed.

Actually IL92 has intersected I-74 for about a year now, westbound anyways.  Until December it intersected at 19th St, since December it has intersected in 3 places (19th St, the new I-74 6th/7th Ave Exit, and 23rd St).  Yes, it is confusing as all get out until the construction is complete.  https://youtu.be/ukGXRM-D1Xw is the video showing how you can take part of the new route over the train tracks, pull a U-turn and take the new eastbound off-ramp to get back to the old westbound on-ramp and continue on westbound I-74.  So neroute2 is using old information about those routes not intersecting.