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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #75 on: November 13, 2020, 11:41:53 pm »
I vote for moving the PIP over to usasf. Internally, the PIP (as well as the Harriman State Park parkways, for that matter) is a different ballgame from most of the other parkways, and not just because it crosses a state line.

Frankly, if there was a "select state park highways" system, the PIP would belong in that given that it's owned and maintained by the Palisades Interstate Park Commission. But we don't have that, so usasf it is.

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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #76 on: November 14, 2020, 05:29:50 am »
the PIP ... is a different ballgame from most of the other parkways,

Frankly, if there was a "select state park highways" system, the PIP would belong in that given that it's owned and maintained by the Palisades Interstate Park Commission. But we don't have that, so usasf it is.
OK, I change where I think it would fit best.

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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #77 on: November 14, 2020, 06:21:10 am »
I think the PIP should be in usanyp, and the GSP belongs in usasf. 

The part of the GSP in NY is minimal, and the PIP is practically a NY parkway IMO that happens to enter NJ.

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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #78 on: November 14, 2020, 09:58:01 am »
So what bothers people more?  A route that should be connected but isn't because it spans two systems, or a route or routes in a system where they don't really belong but properly connected?

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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #79 on: November 14, 2020, 05:56:09 pm »
I think the PIP should be in usanyp, and the GSP belongs in usasf. 

The part of the GSP in NY is minimal, and the PIP is practically a NY parkway IMO that happens to enter NJ.
I second this.  Especially as the GSP in NY is part of the Thruway system, allows trucks (except the part between the last interchange and the state line) (although so did the western end of the LOSP until about 10 years ago), and I believe is officially known as the Garden State Parkway Connector.  The PIP also has contiguous exit numbers and mileage, and uses the same shield as Seven Lakes Drive, so it would feel odd to have those in separate systems.
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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #80 on: November 14, 2020, 06:33:32 pm »
I think the best and cleanest solution is to leave both the PIP and the GSP in usasf. This allows users to mark them clinched as connected routes, and can even be philosophically justified as "well, neither of those are purely New York parkways".

Indeed, the Palisades is specifically an Interstate parkway (says it in the name!), and the Garden State Parkway fundamentally is a New Jersey thing, it just happens to have an extension into New York at its northern end.

Also FWIW, neither is an NYSDOT maintained roadway in spite of their reference route numbers - PIP, as mentioned above, is maintained by a separate park commission, and the GSP extension is part of the New York State Thruway system (it even allows trucks between the Thruway mainline and the one NY exit).

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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #81 on: November 16, 2020, 05:46:47 pm »
One thing that's worth noting is that Seven Lakes Drive and the PIP have the (nearly) exact  same shield.
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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #82 on: November 16, 2020, 09:28:44 pm »
One thing that's worth noting is that Seven Lakes Drive and the PIP have the (nearly) exact  same shield.

Seven Lakes Drive is another one of the special cases that isn't a typical NY parkway. It's a state park road that happens to be on the parkway list. Indeed, PIPC maintains it as a park road.

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Re: usanyp: New York Parkways
« Reply #83 on: December 02, 2020, 02:06:30 am »
Also FWIW, neither is an NYSDOT maintained roadway in spite of their reference route numbers - PIP, as mentioned above, is maintained by a separate park commission, and the GSP extension is part of the New York State Thruway system (it even allows trucks between the Thruway mainline and the one NY exit).

And NJDOT maintains neither the PIP nor the GSP in NJ, but both have official-but-unsigned state route numbers.