frahdfdXX: Hauts-de-France Routes Départementales

[michih]

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4501

D8^E4 - marked as E3 on OSM, signed as just 'E' (presumably they all are, with the number an admin thing). check number is OK.

E4 is indicated on the milepost.

D19Eco - what's the route between D939 and D14/D16? Needs another point at D14/D939 from what I can make out.

It is unsigned and a concurrency with D14/D939 has no evidence since the unsigned (direct) segment might be meant to be part of D19. It looks like I just forgot splitting the route. Done now.

D50E1 - D50/D50E2 -> D50 as, IIRC, in IDF, you collapsed intersections where a route met a parent and a suffixed route to just mention the parent.
D50E2 - D50/D50E1 -> D50 as ditto. See also points like D40_W on D46, which also intersects with D40E1. Or D80_S on D59.
D58E1 - D58/D58E4 -> D58
D58E4 - D58/D58E1 -> D58

I only omit the child when the routes have different parents. D50E1 and D50E2 have the same parent - D50.

If D1 intersects D2 and D2E, the D1 point is only called D2.
If D1 intersects D1E1 and D1E2, the D1 point is called D1E1/D1E2.
If D1E1 intersects D1 and D1Es, the D1E1 point is called D1/D1E2.

The problem is that children tend to intersect their parents more than once and one might run into trouble when trying to catch the right wp. Simplicity is worse in this case.

[si404]

re:D3

D60: no! There is a new inbound sign and it is far away from the city entrance I missed that sign
RueMar: Last old but not very old outbound sign at the entrance to Achicourt
RueChaFer: Old signs but in both directions Also signed here with old signs (on walls, with newer directional signage on poles) is the D5^E, which isn't in the browser.
Between RueChaFer and RueAdamHal: Entrance to Arras, junction could be considered major enough
RueAdamHal: First major junction in Arras
AveMarLec: Important route in Arras and current end and according to OSM+GM An important route that isn't in the browser as that section is unsigned. You split both the D919 and D917 either side of Arras, which also applies to the D3 here (only that doesn't emerge out the other side of the city)

Fleshing this out a bit more. There seems to be an inconsistency here. I'm not that fussed where you end it, as long as it's consistent with everything else. AFAICS, from all the detail you've given, that's either RueMar or the first practical place north of RueChaFer (depending on whether you count the superceded old signs as valid, in which case add the D5E!).

I only omit the child when the routes have different parents. D50E1 and D50E2 have the same parent - D50.

If D1 intersects D2 and D2E, the D1 point is only called D2.
If D1 intersects D1E1 and D1E2, the D1 point is called D1E1/D1E2.
If D1E1 intersects D1 and D1Es, the D1E1 point is called D1/D1E2.

OK, got you.

[si404]

D60, D60E1, D61, D62, D63, D63Lau - fine

D65 - add point at Rue Jean Moulin to correspond to the end of D179

D66, D67, D68, D69 - fine

D70
 - rename D70E6 (or add route if it needs adding)
 - add point in Chocques where Rue Principale turns off (links to D181 the other side of the town)

D70E1, D70E2, D70E3, D70E4, D70E5, D71, D71E1, D71E2, D71E3, D72, D72E1, D72E2, D72E3, D73, D73E2, D73E3, D74, D74E1, D74E2, D74E3, D75, D75E1, D75E2, D75E3, D76, D77, D77E1, D77E2, D77E3, D77E4, D78, D78E1, D78E2, D78E3, D79, D79E1 - all fine

D80, D80E1, D81, D81E1, D81E2, D81E3, D82, D82E1, D83, D83E1, D84, D84E1, D85, D85E1, D85E2, D85E3, D85E4, D86, D86E1, D86E2, D86E3, D86E4, D87, D88, D89, D89E1, D89E2 - all 80s fine

D90, D90E1, D90E2, D90E3, D91, D91E1, D91E2, D92, D92E1, D92E2, D93, D94, D94E1, D94E2, D94E3, D95, D95E1, D95E2, D96, D96E1, D97, D97Ber, D98 - all fine

D99
 - RueEgl - move to unsigned D100?
 - add point for road to Siracourt to match s end of signed bit of D100

[michih]

If memory serves I only did D3 as I did because OSM + GM went identically. When I compare it with the other routes into Arras, I should definitely truncate it but to where? I tend to put it to the entrance sign of Arras or to the first junction inbound.

[si404]

If memory serves I only did D3 as I did because OSM + GM went identically. When I compare it with the other routes into Arras, I should definitely truncate it but to where? I tend to put it to the entrance sign of Arras or to the first junction inbound.

I'd edited my OP 7 seconds before you posted this.

Fleshing this out a bit more. There seems to be an inconsistency here. I'm not that fussed where you end it, as long as it's consistent with everything else. AFAICS, from all the detail you've given, that's either RueMar or the first practical place north of RueChaFer (depending on whether you count the superceded old signs as valid, in which case add the D5E!).

"First practical place" if you go that way is either RueAdamHal or the boundary - your choice.

[si404]

Jumping to the other end (because high numbers = major routes that were formally national)

D901, D901E1, D901E2, D901E3 - fine

D916 - Bus_S -> RueSaiVen_N

D917, D917Arr, D917Car, D917Vim, D918, D919, D919Boi, D925, D928, D928Ome, D929, D930, D930Gra, D933, D933Arq, D937, D938, D938Sar, D939, D939Cam, D939Mar, D940 - fine

D940Ove - missing point for GSJ just south of AveFraMit

D940E1, D941, D941Aux, D942, D943 - fine

D943E1 - should D214/D300 refer to D943 as this is an auxiliary route of it?

D945 - D937 points should be N/S rather than east west as a better fit

D945Sai - move D176E2/M945 to the middle of roundabout

D947, D947Lor, D950, D954, D954E2, D956, D956Tor - fine

[michih]

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4503

Fleshing this out a bit more. There seems to be an inconsistency here. I'm not that fussed where you end it, as long as it's consistent with everything else. AFAICS, from all the detail you've given, that's either RueMar or the first practical place north of RueChaFer (depending on whether you count the superceded old signs as valid, in which case add the D5E!).

I don't want to add D5E. D3 truncated to last old but not very old outbound sign at Achicourt entrance - similar to D919 just a little bit to the east.

D70
 - rename D70E6 (or add route if it needs adding)

Added.

General note for all my systems in France:
I usually check the existance of intersecting routes when drafting routes. If a wp Dxxx exists, I think that the route should exist. If the route is missing in HB, it should be added! Please report all cases.

D916 - Bus_S -> RueSaiVen_N

I didn't have a good name for Bus_N (it is just the village name) and used Bus_S to be consistent. Changed now.

D943E1 - should D214/D300 refer to D943 as this is an auxiliary route of it?

D214, D300 and D943 intersect D943E1. We discussed in the general frad thread how to label wps with more than 2 intersecting routes. Prioritizing the more important route, here D943, or going with ascending order. You just said I should be consistent and I went for the latter. I never thought about being inconsisent for parent routes. Keep as-is.

[si404]

D300, D301, D302, D303, D304, D305, D306, D307, D308, D309, D317, D339 - fine

D340 - D341 -> D941

D341, D342 - fine

D343 - add point just before D841/D916 to correspond to D841 point 'RueHes'

D349, D477, D488, D841 - fine

D841Pol - RueHes -> RueHes_E

D845 - fine

[si404]

D100, D101, D102, D102E1, D102E2 - fine

D103 - add point north of Hameau de Petit Hovin to correspond with east end of D102E2

D104, D104E1, D105, D106, D107, D107E1, D108, D108E1, D109, D109E1 - fine

D110
 - add point for Rue du Presbytere where westbound traffic has to turn off.
 - D09_W -> D109_W

D110E1 - fine

D110E2 - add point RueEgl_S where it turns (matches new RuePre point on D110)

D111, D112, D113, D113Eta, D113Hes, D113E1, D113E2, D113E3, D113E4, D113E6, D114, D115, D115E2, D116, D117, D118, D118E1 - fine

D119
 - D940E1/D901 -> D901/D940E1 (numerical order)
 - D941 -> D938/D941

D119Bou - RueEdmPal -> RueEdmPal_W

D119Cal
 - RueNor_N -> RueNord_N
 - Hem_W -> RueIsl ?
 - Hem_E -> RueHem

D119E - fine

[michih]

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4509

[si404]

D70E6, D120, D121, D122, D122E1, D123, D123E1, D124, D125 - fine

D125E1 - CheBiaJum_N -> CheBlaJum_N

D125E2, D126, D127, D127E2, D127E3, D127E4, D127E5, D128, D128E1, D129, D129E1, D129E2, D129E3 - fine

D130 - D104/D928 -> D104/D343

D130E1, D130E2, D131 - fine

D131E3 - D156_N <-> D156_S

D132, D133, D133E1, D134, D134E1, D134E2, D134E3, D135, D135E1, D136, D136E1, D136E2, D136E2Mou, D137, D137E1, D137E2, D137E3, D138, D138E1, D138E2, D138E3, D138E4, D139, D139E1 - fine

[si404]

D140, D141, D142, D142E1, D142E2, D142E3, D143, D143E1, D143E2, D143E3, D144, D144E1, D144E2, D144E3, D145, D146, D146E1, D146E2, D147, D147E1 - fine

D148 - D156_N <-> D156_S

D148E2, D148E5, D148E6, D149, D149E1, D149E2 - fine

D150, D151, D151E1, D152, D152E1, D153, D154, D155, D155E1, D156, D156E1, D157, D157E1, D157E3, D158, D158Enq, D158E1, D158E2, D159 - all 15xs fine

[michih]

Thanks https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/4512

[si404]

D160, D160E1, D160E2, D161, D161E1, D161E2, D161E3, D161E4, D162, D162E1, D162E2, D163, D163Carm - fine

D163Oig - RueFus -> PdC/Nor (no intersecting route, but the route on the continuation of this route on the other side of the border)

D163E2, D164, D164E2 - fine

D165 - D58/D937 -> D937_S (D58 doesn't diverge from D165 here)

D165Meu, D165E1, D165E2, D166, D166E1, D166E2, D166E3, D167, D167E1, D167E2 - fine

D167E3 - CheRoy -> PdC/Nor

D168, D168Lav, D168E1, D168E4, D169, D170, D170E1, D171 - fine

D171Bet - turn at D941/D943 is impossible. Cut route in two, with southern section beginning at D172E2/D941. Relabel D171/D94x on D941 and D943 to not have D171 (needs doing on D941 anyway as concurrent, not divergent, around that point).

D171E2, D171E3, D172, D172E1, D172E3, D172E4, D173, D174, D174E1 - fine

D174E2 - add points RueBat_W and RueBat_E for shaping and also to link to D176 RueBat_W point and D166/D175 intersection

D175, D175Bou - fine

D176 - D945_W -> D945

D176E1, D176E2 - fine

D178
 - D845 -> D182/D845_N
 - D182/D845 -> D182/D845_S

D179
 - D179E1/D179E2 -> D179E1
 - D65 -> D65_S
 - D937 -> D937_S

D179E1, D179E2 - fine

[si404]

D171Bet (or whatever the southern portion is called post-split) and D179 surely interact in Barlin south of the D188? Fix.

D180, D180E1, D181, D181E1, D181E2, D181E4, D181E5, D181E6, D181E7, D181E8, D182, D182E1, D183, D183E1, D183E2, D184, D185, D185E1, D185E2 - fine

D186 - D187_N or D187_E needs to switch to _W / _S to make a pair.

D186E1 - fine

D186E2 - D341 -> D159/D341

D186E3, D186E4, D186E, D187, D187E1, D188, D188E2, D189 - fine