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Re: chlrn: Chile Rutas Nacionales
« Reply #1 on: June 17, 2020, 09:55:21 pm »
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Re: chlrn: Chile Rutas Nacionales
« Reply #2 on: June 23, 2020, 03:07:15 am »
When chlrn is ready for review, I would preview this instead of anything in Mexico. Let me know.

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Re: chlrn: Chile Rutas Nacionales
« Reply #3 on: June 30, 2020, 07:24:53 pm »
One major issue to be taken care of before review. The routes are known as either Ruta X or R-X. But there are also (signed) secondary routes known as R-X (as well as other letters). There is at least one conflict: R-180 intersects both primary R-156 and secondary R-156. What should be done? Ignore the issue and disambiguate? Use Ruta156 instead of R-156?

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Re: chlrn: Chile Rutas Nacionales
« Reply #4 on: July 01, 2020, 01:26:43 pm »
I had the same issue with primary Fylkesveier and secondary Fylkesveier in Norway and we never distinguished them. There were tons of Fv routes and identical numberings, not just one. It was recently changed, Fv routes are now unique all over Norway.

Just go with R156 and go with NEWS suffixes or 3-letter city suffixes. And omit hyphens.

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Re: chlrn: Chile Rutas Nacionales
« Reply #5 on: July 03, 2020, 04:26:08 pm »
Is this anything like the primary / secondary situation in Tennessee?

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Re: chlrn: Chile Rutas Nacionales
« Reply #6 on: July 03, 2020, 05:46:45 pm »
Is this anything like the primary / secondary situation in Tennessee?
No. The primary routes follow a rough grid and are all referred to as R-X. The secondary routes are grouped by initial letter in horizontal bands from north to south. A-93, for example, goes to the northern tip of Chile, and Y-905 is on Isla Navarino near the southernmost point. The secondary R band includes Victoria (where primary R-5 meets primary R-181CH) and Angol (where primary R-180 meets primary R-182).

It would be like Michigan having county highways that begin with M-. In that case, we would use MI* and CRM*, but that's the U.S. standards.

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Re: chlrn: Chile Rutas Nacionales
« Reply #7 on: July 04, 2020, 08:29:27 pm »
Another issue: there are a bunch of U-turns on R-5 that I label by the nearest km post. R-5 has a zero point in Santiago, with *N and *S posts north and south of the city. So that leads to points like R5_U328N and R5_U1059S, which give a LONG_UNDERSCORE error that "is always a true error and cannot be marked false positive".

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Re: chlrn: Chile Rutas Nacionales
« Reply #8 on: July 05, 2020, 02:17:13 am »
Interesting. The rule only says:
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Use a _U suffix for interchanges that are nothing more than a U-turn ramp. If more than one is needed for the same highway, use _U1, _U2, etc.

No limit is indicated and we said that no clarification is needed:

Only problem is the manual sequential suffixes RN9_U1, _U2, etc., which would require a wholesale renumbering any time one is added.
It requires no such thing.

We will have the same issue in ARG and likely other SA regions.

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Re: chlrn: Chile Rutas Nacionales
« Reply #9 on: July 26, 2020, 10:20:54 pm »
This should be ready for review now.

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Re: chlrn: Chile Rutas Nacionales
« Reply #10 on: July 27, 2020, 12:47:30 pm »
@yakra, what do you think about this? https://travelmapping.net/devel/datacheck.php?rg=CHL&show=LONG_UNDERSCORE,LABEL_SELFREF

Interesting. The rule only says:
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Use a _U suffix for interchanges that are nothing more than a U-turn ramp. If more than one is needed for the same highway, use _U1, _U2, etc.

No limit is indicated and we said that no clarification is needed:

Only problem is the manual sequential suffixes RN9_U1, _U2, etc., which would require a wholesale renumbering any time one is added.
It requires no such thing.

We will have the same issue in ARG and likely other SA regions.

@neroute2, just out of curiosity, what's the story behind the "CH" routes, e.g. R11CH? What does CH mean? It's not an abbreviation nor banner (which must be 3-letter abbreviations) but just part of the route, so it's technically according to the rules :)

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Re: chlrn: Chile Rutas Nacionales
« Reply #11 on: July 27, 2020, 12:57:26 pm »
@neroute2, just out of curiosity, what's the story behind the "CH" routes, e.g. R11CH? What does CH mean? It's not an abbreviation nor banner (which must be 3-letter abbreviations) but just part of the route, so it's technically according to the rules :)
The routes with "carácter de internacional" (international character) (other than the single-digit longitudinal routes) get a CH at the end. My guess is that Chile was hoping other countries would renumber their routes to match, and the CH would indicate that it was the Chilean portion of the route.