New Travels and Stats Discussion

[Jim]

A little 2-day baseball trip to see games at my 49th and 50th minor league parks in Trenton and Allentown also gave me a chance to add some new mileage to my TM stats.  Yesterday, I got just a few very short pieces: NJ 31 inside I-295, a tiny piece of NJ 29 in Trenton, and US 1 from NJ 29 just across the river to last night's hotel off the first exit on the PA side.  Today's plan to get up to Allentown starting on US 1 and then mostly PA 309 was scrapped because of nasty morning traffic problems.  Instead, I avoided an accident on US 1 by going down US 13 to the Turnpike, then stuck with that and I-476 up to Allentown to be on time for a 10:30 AM game.  After the game, I decided to take some new routes through New Jersey.  I drove NJ 57 end to end, which was horrendous with slow trucks and long construction delays.  Then clinched tiny NJ 182 to get up to US 46.  The last of the new mileage was all of US 206 north of I-80 and a little piece of US 6 west from Milford to I-84.  About 75 miles new altogether.

[yakra]

I drove NJ 57 end to end, ...  Then clinched tiny NJ 182

Wh-- ...Why does this exist?

[Jim]

I drove NJ 57 end to end, ...  Then clinched tiny NJ 182

Wh-- ...Why does this exist?

Exactly my thoughts driving through.  I didn't pay close attention and assumed 57 just ended at US 46.  But no, it changes numbers.

In that area, it looks like many people use East Ave as a cutoff between 182 and US 46 East.  Might be worth adding points to each route for that.  I'll add those points if there's no objection.

[mapmikey]

It's because NJ 182 used to be part of current NJ 24.  There is still a NJ 24 shield leaving this intersection SB.

That said, when they decided to take NJ 24 out of the primary system out to this area, have 57 just be extended to US 46 would've made the most sense...

[yakra]

Heh...
https://historicaerials.com/location/40.831540909738116/-74.82247352600098/T1968/15

Edit:
http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/nj/log/10.html#182

182 is a short route connecting US 46 to 57 and old 24. In the 1927 numbering, 24 went from Phillipsburg to Newark via Morristown. The alignment near Hackettstown used the old Washington Turnpike via Pleasant Grove. S24 split from 24 at Penwell and went to Hackettstown. When the routes were renumbered in 1953, NJDOT abandoned the idea of ever building 24 via Pleasant Grove, and rerouted 24 via S24 to the south edge of Hackettstown, and then south to Schooleys Mountain on the originally planned route. The bit of S24 north of what was now 24 became 57.
On 10/9/1969, the routes were renumbered again. 24 was truncated to only go east of Hackettstown on county roads, and 57 was reassigned to state-maintained 24 west of Hackettstown. The road that had been 57 became 182, since 57 was planned to continue east as a bypass of Hackettstown. That bypass has died, but the 182 number remains. The entire route is multiplexed with CR 517.

http://www.alpsroads.net/roads/nj/log/6.html#57

57 runs east-northeast from Phillipsburg, and contains the first stretch of concrete pavement in the Western hemisphere (one mile of it in Warren County, built in 1912). Pre-GR, it was 24 west of Penwell and S24 east of Penwell. At the GR, this all became part of 24, and 57 used what is now 182 (formerly S24). On 10/9/1969, former 57 became 182 and 57 was designated along its current alignment. 57 does not extend along 182 because it was planned to extend east on a Hackettstown bypass to US 46, which is a divided highway for that very reason.

[mapmikey]

Well that makes it even sillier than my incorrect assumption...

[yakra]

[dave1693]

In short, when NJDOT "officially" truncated the west end of NJ 24 to Morristown, and changed the Phillipsburg-South Hackettstown leg from 24 to 57, they continued the 57 number along a proposed bypass... but when the bypass plans were scrapped, they didn't change 182 back to being the eastern end of 57. Either someone in NJDOT was being wildly overoptimistic that the bypass would be resurrected, or just stupid in the extreme.

[froggie]

^^ More like...

[7/8]

I just got back from my three-week long graduation trip to the Rockies. The majority of the trip was on new roads, which meant I added LOTS of mileage to my TM profile. We started by taking I-96 to get Livingston and Ingham counties in MI, then a short detour on M-78 and M-66 to get Barry County (MI). After Chicago, it was all new territory for a long time. We took I-80 then I-76 to Denver. We visited Breckenridge, backtracked to Colorado Springs, and headed back up to Denver to drop one of my brothers at the airport (he needed to get home for work). We then drove I-70 and UT 128 (both were incredibly scenic) to Moab, UT. My family got to do a UTV tour which was a lot of fun! We then drove up US 6/191 to Midway, UT to spend a few days in the area. We then went up I-15 and US 20 to stay in West Yellowstone, MT while visiting the park. All the geysers were fascinating to see, and the Grand Canyon of the Yellowstone was very impressive. We drove down to see the Tetons before crossing Wyoming by US 26, I-25, and US 18. We visited Mt. Rushmore and then the Badlands in SD. After that, it was lots of driving on I-90 to Chicago. For the last day, we started the morning in Mishawaka (near South Bend, IN) and I convinced the family to take US 12 up to Ypsilanti, MI to get Cass, St. Joseph, Hillsdale, and Lenawee counties in southern MI. I also added I-96 between I-275 and I-94 in Detroit. All in all, it was a very successful trip and I'm thankful that I got the chance to see the Western US before starting my full-time job and that my family was willing to take some detours for me to add counties and road mileage .

[Eth]

Last week's vacation officially puts me on the board in Hawaii, which makes its debut for me at #7 in active and preview mileage with 12.05%. The mileage, all on Oahu, includes clinches of Interstates H2 and H201 (but not H1, of which I missed a two-mile segment in east Honolulu) and state routes 72, 80, 8930 (why a four-digit number? it seems like Oahu has plenty of two- and three-digit ones available), and 93. I probably would have clinched 95 if I'd known it was there (I drove part of it and don't remember it being signed) and was close enough to the end of 930 that I should have finished it off too. Oh well.

[oscar]

Last week's vacation officially puts me on the board in Hawaii, which makes its debut for me at #7 in active and preview mileage with 12.05%. The mileage, all on Oahu, includes clinches of Interstates H2 and H201 (but not H1, of which I missed a two-mile segment in east Honolulu) and state routes 72, 80, 8930 (why a four-digit number? it seems like Oahu has plenty of two- and three-digit ones available), and 93. I probably would have clinched 95 if I'd known it was there (I drove part of it and don't remember it being signed) and was close enough to the end of 930 that I should have finished it off too. Oh well.

95 has long given me heartburn, as a primary route (access to a secondary commercial harbor) with no route markers.

As for 8930, four-digit route number assignments are typical for new urban routes, though it's also fairly common to leave them unsigned. If 8930 doesn't feel urban now, it will soon, with rapid growth in the Kapolei "second city" area. In any case, I'm pretty sure no new 2-digit routes have been designated this century, and probably none since the last major round of renumbering in 1968. Nor have any new 3-digit state routes, except perhaps some short unsigned ones on the outer islands, and a network of unevenly-signed county routes in central Maui set up in the mid-1970s. A new rural secondary highway on Maui has been assigned 374, if it ever gets built.

[Eth]

If 8930 doesn't feel urban now, it will soon, with rapid growth in the Kapolei "second city" area.

Yeah, it very much had the feel of "this is all going to be developed within the next 2-3 years", especially with the elevated rail(?) construction that was also going on there. I stopped at the mall at the south end of the route for lunch on Thursday, which is apparently new enough that it doesn't even show up on Google's satellite imagery.

[vdeane]

My recent big update was from a trip to Florida.  Report on the AARoads forum.

[mapcat]

I just finished a trip that clinched all the Illinois state routes (I'll deal with Historic US66 later), all the US routes in Wisconsin, and enough Michigan routes that I should be able to clinch what's left in that state in a day trip. US10 and US53 are done now as well.

Apparently I missed the opening of the bypass around Macomb, Illinois, by a few days, so I will lose my system-wide clinch soon. Its opening has been pushed back several times over the past few months. I spoke with a state trooper while there to test his opinion on sneaking past the barriers, and he suggested calling IDOT, since they had let some people on it already. Unfortunately the project managers had left for the day when I called, and no one in the office was authorized to let me drive it, so I went on my way. If another trip in the early planning stages happens later this year, Macomb won't be all that far out of the way.

Weather was beautiful except for about an hour of rain one day. That hour coincided with my visit to Mackinac Island, and my clinch of M-185 on a rented bike. It started out light, but was a full-on thunderstorm within 15 minutes. So I managed to race around the island in less than an hour and turn in my bike with time to make the ferry back to St Ignace; I was soaked, so browsing the shops on the island no longer seemed worthwhile. The rain stopped by the time I got off the ferry.