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Re: I-676 in Philadelphia
« Reply #15 on: January 10, 2021, 03:56:57 pm »
I'm against removing unsigned Interstates.
Sorry, my post should have had "from usai".

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Re: I-676 in Philadelphia
« Reply #16 on: January 10, 2021, 04:00:07 pm »
Or just move all of the unsigned ones throughout into usaui.  Users who only care about signed interstates just worry about usai and those who want signed and unsigned would aim to clinch both usai and usaui.

I'd be okay with this. I am in full opposition to removing unsigned interstates, having clinched three of them myself and been on a fourth. (I'm also in opposition to removing unsigned anything, but that's an argument for another day.)

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Re: I-676 in Philadelphia
« Reply #17 on: January 10, 2021, 05:51:39 pm »
I'm also going to register my opposition to removing any unsigned interstates. They are sufficiently significant for inclusion regardless of signage.

Moving them to a separate system... I could get behind. This could also potentially serve as a good template for how to handle other unsigned routes.

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Re: I-676 in Philadelphia
« Reply #18 on: January 10, 2021, 06:07:44 pm »
I've clinched almost all of the unsigned interstates and am fine with them being removed. I'm not in favor of a new usaui system for them. Just delete them. Consistency.
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Re: I-676 in Philadelphia
« Reply #19 on: January 10, 2021, 09:53:37 pm »
Having separate listings for unsigned interstates could allow for both routings of I-676 to be included... one in the signed system, one in the unsigned.

Adding other unsigned systems could open a rabbit hole... for example, NY's reference routes include service roads, some interchanges (like I-787 exit 6), and wyes.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

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Re: I-676 in Philadelphia
« Reply #20 on: January 11, 2021, 07:03:18 am »
The question that immediately comes to mind for me is "what makes unsigned Interstates different from other unsigned routes?" If I'm not mistaken, in every other system, routes are removed when users report they are unsigned.

I don't really have strong opinion on this either way, though I lean slightly in favor of removing them because that's how all other systems are treated.

I do think that adding stand alone "unsigned" systems (even Interstates) is a bad idea.

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Re: I-676 in Philadelphia
« Reply #21 on: January 11, 2021, 12:51:00 pm »
It's worth considering that FHWA's data may be wrong, due to the person who entered it being confused. AASHTO does not appear to have the FHWA definition from 1972, but everything from AASHTO and PA shows one continuous route:
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Conversely I-676 would be relocated along the present I-76 via the "Vine Street Expressway" across the Ben Franklin Bridge and junctioned at the present interchange in New Jersey.
On the other hand, the March 2001 Route Log and Finder List has 2.15 miles for I-676 in PA, while the March 1992 length is 2.59. So did something change in the 90s? Anyone want to ask FHWA? Not that this would necessarily change how we map it; see the cases of I-80 CA, I-495 NY, I-695 MD, and I-895 MD.