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PA: US 13 Realignment in Chester
« on: January 27, 2022, 11:34:43 am »
I got notification this morning from PennDOT District 6 that the realigning of US 13 onto PA 291 and the redesignating of current US 13 as US 13 BUS in Chester, PA, is expected to be signed by the end of next week.

There will be no route changes to PA 291, PA 320, or PA 352 in Chester at this time.  (Also posted here:  https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=27090.msg2701766#msg2701766)

I plan to field check this next weekend if there is not another coastal storm headed up the East Coast.

EDIT (2-3-2022):  I have decided to move the field check to next weekend (2/11/2022).
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Re: PA: US 13 Realignment in Chester
« Reply #1 on: February 11, 2022, 01:46:36 pm »
PennDOT - District 6 News: PennDOT Establishes New Business U.S. 13, Redesignates U.S. 13 over Route 291 to Improve Truck Travel in the City of Chester

I plan to drive in the area tomorrow, and make the changes ASAP on Sunday.

EDIT (2-13-2022):  Everything was definitely signed when I drove in Chester yesterday.
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Re: PA: US 13 Realignment in Chester
« Reply #2 on: February 13, 2022, 05:02:36 pm »
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/5596

There will be no broken list files for PA 291.  Everyone will need to enter US13BusChe into their list files.

Broken/Affected list files for US 13: tckma, jpinyan, extremebandman, epzik8, dough4872, osu-lsu, verruckte_dan, imgoph, ngrier, tbwillie, martindelaware, stnyroads, dave1693, capn, wphiii, lowenbrau, chaddean, RMA58, aaroads, sbeaver44, markkos1992, ua747sp, valedc03ls, brendan, htm_duke, lkefct, formulanone, duke87, mapmikey, dcm55343, charliezeb, froggie, oscar, vespertine, mapcat

yakra, if you think I am missing someone, please do your programming and edit the line above. 

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Re: PA: US 13 Realignment in Chester
« Reply #3 on: February 13, 2022, 05:23:55 pm »
Broken list files for US 13: tckma, jpinyan, extremebandman, epzik8, dough4872, osu-lsu, verruckte_dan, imgoph, ngrier, tbwillie, martindelaware, stnyroads, dave1693, capn, wphiii, lowenbrau, chaddean, RMA58, aaroads, sbeaver44, markkos1992, ua747sp, valedc03ls, brendan, htm_duke, lkefct, formulanone, duke87, mapmikey, dcm55343, charliezeb, froggie, oscar, vespertine, mapcat

Not sure how you're coming up with broken list files for all of those people. Many of them have clinched US 13, and the end point labels haven't changed.
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Re: PA: US 13 Realignment in Chester
« Reply #4 on: February 13, 2022, 05:44:14 pm »
Broken list files for US 13: tckma, jpinyan, extremebandman, epzik8, dough4872, osu-lsu, verruckte_dan, imgoph, ngrier, tbwillie, martindelaware, stnyroads, dave1693, capn, wphiii, lowenbrau, chaddean, RMA58, aaroads, sbeaver44, markkos1992, ua747sp, valedc03ls, brendan, htm_duke, lkefct, formulanone, duke87, mapmikey, dcm55343, charliezeb, froggie, oscar, vespertine, mapcat

Not sure how you're coming up with broken list files for all of those people. Many of them have clinched US 13, and the end point labels haven't changed.

There is a new solo portion of US 13 along Morton Ave between PA 291 and 9th St (the new north end of US 13 BUS, where US 13 previously turned from 9th St onto Morton Ave).  This section is the only new TM mileage as a result of these changes. 

I also did not keep PA291 as an alternate for US13BusChe_S though I debatably could have.

I guess my definition of broken here can also mean "list files affected".  Personally, I will not need to change the US 13 line on my list file because I already clinched the entire realignment.
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Re: PA: US 13 Realignment in Chester
« Reply #5 on: February 13, 2022, 07:08:21 pm »
yakra, if you think I am missing someone, please do your programming and edit the line above. 
I took the labels of the changed points that are in use, plugged them into whouses.sh, and came up with a shorter list:
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yakra@BiggaTomato:~/ytm$ ./whouses.sh pa.us013 4THST_E 9THST_E 9THST_W KERST PA291 PA352 US322

All travelers with broken .lists:
capn dave1693 epzik8 extremebandman formulanone jpinyan lowenbrau osu_lsu RMA58 tbwillie tckma ua747sp verruckte_dan wphiii

Not sure how you're coming up with broken list files for all of those people. Many of them have clinched US 13, and the end point labels haven't changed.
This raises a good point -- whouses.sh was written with the MA exit renumberings in mind, and only reports, well, who uses given waypoint labels. Cases like this where two "good" or "stable" points are in use on either side of a relocated section aren't detected. The .list line is unbroken in that it can still be parsed just fine, but broken in that it maps to something other than what the traveler originally intended, and may not be correct depending on that person's actual travels.
This does give me an idea for a new shell script though! ;)

There is a new solo portion of US 13 along Morton Ave between PA 291 and 9th St (the new north end of US 13 BUS, where US 13 previously turned from 9th St onto Morton Ave).  This section is the only new TM mileage as a result of these changes. 
Not sure what this has to do with existing .lists being affected by the relocation though. ...Other than something that can be incorrectly added to the maps/stats of those traveling over the entire relocated portion.

I also did not keep PA291 as an alternate for US13BusChe_S though I debatably could have.
Strongly recommend adding it back in. All 4 people using it only used it to mark off a section of the route that did not change.
This would unbreak .lists for capn, formulanone, osu_lsu & RMA58.

I guess my definition of broken here can also mean "list files affected".
It seems there can be "hard breaks" and "soft breaks" as I alluded to above in my reply to mapcat's post. There can sometimes be confusion about what's being spoken about.
Maybe we could say "invalidated .list lines" or something similarly specific for those cases, and use softer more vague phrasing like "list files affected" for cases that could be either.
Maybe "hard break" and "soft break" terminology could become a thing. Me, I'll be more conscious about the terms I use going forward, to avoid ambiguity.
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Re: PA: US 13 Realignment in Chester
« Reply #6 on: February 13, 2022, 07:16:21 pm »
Ok, I will readd the PA291 alternate label.  That was what I saw from looking through the list files, but I was a bit hesitant to with US322 and KerSt being in-use.

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Re: PA: US 13 Realignment in Chester
« Reply #7 on: February 13, 2022, 09:22:08 pm »
Mark, your list looks correct.
Or at least, I'm not finding anyone your list did not.
My shell script didn't pick up charliezeb, because 6-field lines aren't fully supported yet.
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Re: PA: US 13 Realignment in Chester
« Reply #8 on: February 14, 2022, 10:42:24 am »
I guess my definition of broken here can also mean "list files affected".

Ah, okay. Anytime I've seen the term in the forum I've taken it to mean that an affected user will see something like the following in their log:

Waypoint label PR1/21 not found in line: PR PR176 PR199 PR1/21

So yes, my .list needs updating as a result of the reroute, but since it didn't show up as an error in my log (just "Route updated 2022-02-13: PA US13"), I wouldn't consider it broken.
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Re: PA: US 13 Realignment in Chester
« Reply #9 on: February 14, 2022, 06:19:00 pm »
9thSt_E should also be retained as an AltLabel for US13BusChe_N.
This will unbreak tbwillie.list & verruckte_dan.list.

Edit: Intersecting routes have not been changed. Recommend:

PA320:
US13 -> US13Bus +US13
PA291 -> US13/291

PA352:
US13 -> US13Bus +US13

PA452:
US13 was wrong, now it's correct! :D
Missing point @ old US13 / new US13Bus

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Re: PA: US 13 Realignment in Chester
« Reply #11 on: February 14, 2022, 06:35:32 pm »
I edited my above post while you were posting that. :D
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Re: PA: US 13 Realignment in Chester
« Reply #12 on: February 14, 2022, 06:59:48 pm »
I edited my above post while you were posting that. :D

Good catch.  However, PA 452 is not affected by this at all.  PA 452 is west of Chester entirely.

I fixed PA 320, PA 352, and US 322 in the already opened pull request though.
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