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Offline bartpetat

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NLD: Update N316/N816/N827
« on: August 23, 2022, 12:56:48 pm »
N316 has had a route-relocation a year ago. It ends now at the junction with N827 and N816.
N827 now runs until the border with Germany, and not untill the old junction with old N316.
N816 in real life seems to only run untill the roundabout where it connects to N827 and new N316. In Travelmapping it goes all the way to the old N316 road.

For convenience I've added the three new .wpt files. Not sure if I can also just merge them in the GitHub, but this seems like a good first start.

Sources:
My own driving
https://www.wegenwiki.nl/N316_(Nederland)
https://www.wegenwiki.nl/N827_(Nederland)
https://www.wegenwiki.nl/N816_(Nederland)

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Re: NLD: Update N316/N816/N827
« Reply #1 on: August 23, 2022, 01:41:49 pm »
Thanks, for reporting. I will look into it soon :)

For convenience I've added the three new .wpt files. Not sure if I can also just merge them in the GitHub, but this seems like a good first start.

Please don't upload them to Github. I'll take care of it since I'm the maintainer of the region on TM.

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Re: NLD: Update N316/N816/N827
« Reply #2 on: August 23, 2022, 02:19:21 pm »
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/5975

The wpt looked good. I only had to:
- Rename N316's N335_E label to N335 (label is not in use)
- Rename N335's labels for N316
- Truncate N816 instead of N817 :)
- Reverse N827's NLD/DEU label to DEU/NLD
- Keep in-use labels of N827 as alt labels, also only you have them in use
- Keep N827's wp for former N816, because I had traveled it
- Add update entries

The change will be live with the next site update.

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Re: NLD: Update N316/N816/N827
« Reply #3 on: August 23, 2022, 04:06:13 pm »
https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/5975

The wpt looked good. I only had to:
- Rename N316's N335_E label to N335 (label is not in use)
- Rename N335's labels for N316
- Truncate N816 instead of N817 :)
- Reverse N827's NLD/DEU label to DEU/NLD
- Keep in-use labels of N827 as alt labels, also only you have them in use
- Keep N827's wp for former N816, because I had traveled it
- Add update entries

The change will be live with the next site update.

Thank you for editing, and giving feedback. This is my first time trying out the WPT files, and I need to learn a lot still. If I may ask some clarifications on the edits, I hope you can answer them.

* The label name only needs to be unique in the same file right? And because there is no _W anymore, the _E can ben changed to N335.
* What is the use of the alt labels? Is this only for people who've traveld over the road before it changes? So it stays in their system?
* Because only excisting roads are changes, only the update file needs to change? And if a new road is added, then systems.csv will also be updates probably?

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Re: NLD: Update N316/N816/N827
« Reply #4 on: August 23, 2022, 09:06:48 pm »
If I may ask some clarifications on the edits, I hope you can answer them.

* The label name only needs to be unique in the same file right? And because there is no _W anymore, the _E can ben changed to N335.
* What is the use of the alt labels? Is this only for people who've traveld over the road before it changes? So it stays in their system?
* Because only excisting roads are changes, only the update file needs to change? And if a new road is added, then systems.csv will also be updates probably?

I can help with these.
* Labels only need to be unique within a file. The _E can be changed, but usually won't be if it's a route split (the routes are concurrent in one direction, but not the other).
* Alt labels are used in order to prevent a user from losing credit when labels change (though sometimes it's not possible, such as renumbering of freeway exits). Many users will check their log and see that their label has changed and will update their file, and later the alt label can be removed. There is a database query that allows maintainers to check which alt-labels are being used.
* For route changes, only the update file needs to change (and sometimes, not even that; there's rules about what changes need to be included). For route additions or removals, the appropriate csv files in hwy_data/_systems will be updated. systems.csv would be updated if a new system was implemented (for example, a new country's highways).

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Re: NLD: Update N316/N816/N827
« Reply #5 on: August 24, 2022, 01:14:32 pm »

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Re: NLD: Update N316/N816/N827
« Reply #6 on: August 24, 2022, 04:44:57 pm »
This is my first time trying out the WPT files, and I need to learn a lot still.

We have a manual: https://travelmapping.net/devel/devel.php

https://travelmapping.net/participate.php#hwydatamanager

Once familiar with the basics, there are a lot of European systems in preview to help with peer review to really get to know how the project works from the highway data manager side.

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Re: NLD: Update N316/N816/N827
« Reply #7 on: August 27, 2022, 03:27:45 pm »
Thanks for the replies and links. I'll check those out soon.