Serbia Motoputevi (srbm) and Serbia redo (tier 5 system to come)

[si404]

The new Serbia Motoputevi system is ready for review

https://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?sys=srbm

This system was created this year, along with a small overhaul to other roads: https://www.paragraf.rs/propisi/uredba-kategorizaciji-drzavnih-puteva.html

In addition, as part of creating this system/starting work on the tier 5 system, I've overhauled the previously-existing A, B, and E routes. I've kept these reworks separate so they can be checked/reviewed before going live at some point soon (when the srbm system is reviewed? when I've created the srbr system?) as there was a lot of reworking and I'm bound to have missed something. Please have a look and comment.

https://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?sys=srba2
https://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?sys=srbe
https://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?sys=srbb2

previous systems in mapview
new systems in mapview
changelog (that will become updates when launched

[michih]

at some point soon (when the srbm system is reviewed? when I've created the srbr system?

I could review the changes + srbm but not "soon". I'd also prefer having srbr in place first to review everything at once.
However, I'd be happy if anyone else would review the changes + new system(s).

[michih]

It seems that srbr is in preview now

@si404 please let me know when you will have had a look at the new system, and "Serbia" will be ready for the review. I think that I might start the review before my 18-days-travel starting later this month. Only completing the on-going DEU-RP + DEU-HE deub revision is more important to me since I might go there in July and want to take the chance to clinch changed or missing routes.

Again, I'm happy if anyone else beats me looking into srba2, srbe and srbb2....

[si404]

It seems that srbr is in preview now

Only the 100s and 200s (class A) - the 300s and 400s will be coming shortly and that's when it's ready for review.

[michih]

It seems that srbr is in preview now

Only the 100s and 200s (class A) - the 300s and 400s will be coming shortly and that's when it's ready for review.

Ah, I guess that the system is in preview by accident? Should be devel?

[si404]

It seems that srbr is in preview now

Only the 100s and 200s (class A) - the 300s and 400s will be coming shortly and that's when it's ready for review.

Ah, I guess that the system is in preview by accident? Should be devel?

No, it was deliberate - I wanted to see what the class A network looked like. By 'shortly', I've got over half the B routes drafted now, so should finish today!

[michih]

My latest post in this thread was deleted due to the forum crash back in May. I wrote that I couldn't start the review before my travel and will start the review in early July.
Well, I could even start one day earlier

First, update link including tier 5 systems: new systems in mapview.
Concurrencies look good except of E761x which is not concurrent to E763x, B23x and B28x south of Užice.
srbrb's color is 'TMgrey' but it's kinda red. It's a typo since we go with American English.

R230 is missing. It branches off B39 in Tulare: https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=srb.b039x&lat=42.794417&lon=21.460682&zoom=17 (indicated as B39 on GM though, no GSV available)
R386 is missing. It branches off R160 at the monastery: https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=srb.r160&lat=43.973793&lon=21.508226&zoom=16
R445 is missing, branching off R41x: https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=srb.b041x&lat=42.458199&lon=21.760118&zoom=15
More R400s are missing. I'm not sure if all are in Kovoso. Have you check them in detail? (I've only checked the missing R200s so far)

R401 is indicated on OSM but is not on the official list. No GSV. Removing?
R475 is also indicated on OSM but not on the list. It was part of A2 before, i.e. is an important route with two TM travelers. Remove or keep?
I wonder if R401 and R475 were on the list when you've drafted the system. Was the list updated meanwhile?

General question: You know that I wanna have points at junctions with secondary highways, i.e. yellow on OSM default. Do you agree with this approach? If so, I'd report missing wps.

[si404]

Concurrencies look good except of E761x which is not concurrent to E763x, B23x and B28x south of Užice.
srbrb's color is 'TMgrey' but it's kinda red. It's a typo since we go with American English.

Fixed

R230 is missing. It branches off B39 in Tulare: https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=srb.b039x&lat=42.794417&lon=21.460682&zoom=17 (indicated as B39 on GM though, no GSV available)
R386 is missing. It branches off R160 at the monastery: https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=srb.r160&lat=43.973793&lon=21.508226&zoom=16
R445 is missing, branching off R41x: https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=srb.b041x&lat=42.458199&lon=21.760118&zoom=15

Added

More R400s are missing. I'm not sure if all are in Kovoso. Have you check them in detail? (I've only checked the missing R200s so far)

I presumed they were (ditto the three above), as I couldn't find them when drafting the other routes.

R401 is indicated on OSM but is not on the official list. No GSV. Removing?

I'll have a think.

R475 is also indicated on OSM but not on the list. It was part of A2 before, i.e. is an important route with two TM travelers. Remove or keep?
I wonder if R401 and R475 were on the list when you've drafted the system. Was the list updated meanwhile?

R475 was definitely on the list - and still is. It gets its own article, rather than forming part of the main list.
Article 8

The public road Novi Beograd (Vojvođanska street) - interchange Surčin jug is temporarily categorized as state road IIB order number 475.
Though Article 10 says that article 8 lapses on April 1st 2025

Do you agree with this approach? If so, I'd report missing wps.

I don't agree that, because someone has make it secondary on OSM that it's inherently important IRL, but do report if I've missed one.

[michih]

Do you agree with this approach? If so, I'd report missing wps.

I don't agree that, because someone has make it secondary on OSM that it's inherently important IRL, but do report if I've missed one.

Sorry, I don't get it. You don't agree with my approach but I should report them nonetheless?

[michih]

R475 was definitely on the list - and still is. It gets its own article, rather than forming part of the main list.
Article 8

The public road Novi Beograd (Vojvođanska street) - interchange Surčin jug is temporarily categorized as state road IIB order number 475.
Though Article 10 says that article 8 lapses on April 1st 2025

I wonder what will happen to it..... It was A2 before. Will it be transferred to local administration in 2025?

Edit: I had to ask https://www.skyscrapercity.com/posts/189083680/

[michih]

Please indicate the source under https://travelmapping.net/credits.php#srb

srba2: All fine.

srbm:

M2 A1/A8 -> A3/A8

OSM indicates M6 on concurrency with B10/B13 but I don't think it's Right. First, the pdf indicates "connection with state roads I B 10 and II A 130". German OSM Shows a planned northern bypass of Pančevo which intersects B10 and R130. In addition, I think that this map is more reliable than OSM. Keep as-is.

M9 Move +X704282 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.339412&lon=20.084016 so that it can be better distinguished from B27 on mapview

M11
A1_N -> A1/A3
A1_S -> A1_Pot
2015 GSV indicates other exit numbers, partially none. But it's nine years old. I've checked the OSM history of some numbers, most where changed two years ago. If that's right, we are usually off by 1, and miss exit 12.
Our exit 15 was changed to 28 in October 2022 but changed again to 28 just 3 months ago.
Please apply the changes to E70x.

srbe:

E65x is missing in csv files, but only 3 shaping points have been adjusted. I hope that the concurrencies are not broken.

E70x fine

E75x 8 -> 8(A1)

E80Ribx is missing in csv files, it's concurrent to E65x, also just the three shaping points adjusted...

E80x fine

E662x fine

E761x
B21_E/W -> B21_S/N ?
Duplicate label B23_W, I think that the westernmost one should be B23_S
Should it be extended at east end to E771x?

E763x fine

E771x R165_N -> R165_Rgo

[michih]

B10x
Is indicated to begin in Pančevo. Is OSM not so wrong on M6, see above? I don't think so. Keep as-is.

B11x Fine

B12x
R112_W -> R112_Bat ?
R112_E -> R112_Zab ?
Remove or rename R113 wp, or replace by wp at next Junction to the east

B13x
B15_N -> _E or B15_W -> _S

B14x Fine

B15x Fine

B16x Fine

B17x Fine

B18x Fine

B19x
R122 -> R122/R314 ?

B19Nes Fine

[si404]

B19x
R122 -> R122/R314 ?

Different classes, so I'd rather not.

[michih]

Don't Forget adding the E761 update entry

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B20 fine

B21
B27 -> B27_W (also indicated in your changelog)
B23_N / _S -> B23_E / _W ? (also indicated in your changelog)
Add wp for future A10 just south of B23_S ?

B22
Add wp for future A5 just north of VojSte_N ? If so, for B23 too

B23
Add wps for connectors to future A5? If so, for E761x too
GSJ missing west of B24, for E761x too
R179_W / _E -> R179_N / _S
B21_W / _E -> B21_N / _S ?
B28_N / _S -> B28_E / _E ?
Please move SRB/MNE to the border (E763x too, and wps in MNE)

B24
Gol is off
B24 rerouted from Kragujevac streets and onto bypass between R183 and DraPan
->
B24 rerouted from Kragujevac streets and onto bypass between R183 and KneMih

B26
B26 - no change -> you've relocated it just west of A2 (found it by chance, didn't check all routes!)
R136_E -> R136_Sok
R136_W -> R136_Zmi

B27
Rename R363 since there is no R363
B25_W / _E -> B25_N / _S

B28
R170_RogN -> R170_N
R170_RogS -> R170_S
R174_N -> R174_Kos
R173_E -> R173_Vol
R174_S -> KraPetI or UliKraPetI
R173_W -> R173_Rad

B29
Remove or rename R202

[michih]

B30 Fine

B31
Please move SRB/RKS to the border (RKS route too)

B32
Please move SRB/RKS to the border (E65x, E80xRib and RKS routes too)

B33 Fine

B34 Fine

B35
ROU/SRB is off (E771x and ROU routes too, I'm sure that panda80 is OK with it)
R167_N -> R167_Kla (E771x too)
R167_S -> R167_Mil (E771x too)
R165_N -> R165_Rgo (E771x too)
R415_E -> R415_Pro (E80x too)

B36
R394_N -> R394_GaB ?
R394_S -> R394_Gam ?
Add wp in Zaječar center: LjuNes http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.899469&lon=22.283261
Apply all changes to E761x too

B37 Fine

B38
B38 - no change -> you've truncated the route at north end

B39 Fine

B40
R441_W -> R441_Vla
R441_E -> R441_Sur
Please move SRB/BGR to the border (BGR route too)

B41
SRB/RKS is off, please update RKS route too

B42
Extend to R258 incl. update entry

veza sa državnim putem 258 - Preševo - Gnjilane - Priština

B46 Fine

B47
Add Nem or UliNem http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.805744&lon=20.460261
Please apply to E70x too

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Please clean up the systems next (srba, srbb, eure), and activate srbm. I'll continue with the tier 5 system reviews afterwards.