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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #240 on: October 13, 2019, 07:57:23 am »
91: 17 -> 17B?

Based on? That would put the interchange with I-605 out-of-order with the Studebaker Rd. interchange (17A) to the east.
Based on the Caltrans exit list. It seems it hasn't been signed yet, but neither has 17 eastbound.

Right. 17B is the officially assigned exit number from WB 91 to I-605, and 17 is the officially assigned exit number from EB 91 to I-605, while 17A is both signed and assigned for the Studebaker Rd. ramp from WB 91. That makes 17 a reasonable waypoint label for the 91/605 interchange, and ISTM a better label than 17B to keep the interchange waypoints on 91 in sequence from west to east.

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #241 on: October 13, 2019, 09:24:15 am »
103: signage continues south with 47 to I-710, and north to Willow Street as functionally a long ramp
103: CA47 -> 5(47)
103: ISt -> AnaSt (the only street the exit is signed for)
104: ClayEastRd -> ClayStaRd
108: CA99Bus_N and CA132/99Bus_S are the same intersection
108: NeeSt -> NeeSt_E
108: CH* -> CR*
108: CHJ3 -> CRJ6
108: 1stSt -> CRJ7_N, ClaRd -> CRJ7_S
108: CA108BusSon_W -> MonoWay?
108: CA108BusTwa_E -> CRE17? I see no business route signage at this end
108: LyoResRd -> LyoDamRd
108: X989909 is unnecessary
108: ChiFlatCamp -> FR6N09Y? https://www.fs.usda.gov/Internet/FSE_DOCUMENTS/stelprdb5401602.pdf doesn't show a campground there
108: PacCreTr -> SonPassTr (the PCT actually crosses a bit to the east)
108: LeaLakeRd -> FR32077?

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #242 on: October 13, 2019, 01:31:07 pm »
60: 1B is part of the same interchange as 1D, but maybe separating makes more sense
60: 74 -> 74A

1B and 1D could be combined into a single 1B point, halfway between existing 1B and 1D. No need to preserve connections to other routes for either point.

As for 74, official exit numbering has it as unsigned 74 and signed 74A, but with a note that the sign needs to be corrected. There's no exit 74B, and apparently a new exit 75 is under construction that will leave no room for a new exit 74B. Leaving this alone.

103: signage continues south with 47 to I-710, and north to Willow Street as functionally a long ramp
103: CA47 -> 5(47)
103: ISt -> AnaSt (the only street the exit is signed for)

The segment north of CA 1 is mostly city-owned and not a state highway. The city of Long Beach has considered tearing up its part of the freeway, though it hasn't bothered to remove the old route markers. However, the PQT and a 2002 paper route log indicate state route 103 continues about 0.2 mile north of CA 1, near ramps to and from E. 20th St. as well as CA 1. Legislatively, CA 103 ends at CA 1. Caltrans will sometimes fudge things to include short stubs past the legislative endpoint (such as here to at least include the entire CA 1 interchange), though it appears not to have fudged things enough to extend CA 103 to Willow St.

CA 103's official south ends is at CA 47, though it is co-signed with part of CA 47. I'll think about it, along with instances of co-signage elsewhere in the state.

ISt => AnaSt is fine with me.

108: CA99Bus_N and CA132/99Bus_S are the same intersection

Not quite. I think the separate points in the CA 108, CA 132, and CA 99 Business route files are clarifying, reflecting that EB CA 108 traffic needs to make a right turn at CA 132/99 Bus then a left turn onto half of a one-way couplet.
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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #243 on: October 13, 2019, 05:50:02 pm »
108: CA99Bus_N and CA132/99Bus_S are the same intersection

Not quite. I think the separate points in the CA 108, CA 132, and CA 99 Business route files are clarifying, reflecting that EB CA 108 traffic needs to make a right turn at CA 132/99 Bus then a left turn onto half of a one-way couplet.
It's a one-way pair that uses a cross street to begin. Should IL 9 get a second point at Locust and Lee?

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #244 on: October 13, 2019, 08:21:46 pm »
110: move 25 south to the over/underpass?
110: separate point for 26A?
110: 30A at Marmion Way is missing; 30A -> 30
111: I don't understand the placement of End. The border crossing has been moved west to Chavez Boulevard, and southbound traffic on 111 can (as of May 2019) only go to the duty free shop parking without having to U-turn and go the wrong way on a one-way street. Has anyone been here since then?
111: x11 is unnecessary
111: SaltCrkPL -> SaltCrkBch
111pal: VisChi -> VisChi_E
111pal: TraBlvd -> TraRd? or just Tra? I can't find any signs with a suffix
111pal: I-10 is at the wrong interchange (looks like I-10's points are mislabeled)
112: CA61/185 -> CA185 since you can't turn onto 61 here - though, with only one sign for 112 existing, should we treat this as an error? There are at least three 61 shields on this route: 1 2 3
113: HaslRd -> HasRd
113: RioDixRd -> CookLn
113: shift AdaSt south?
113: CHE* -> CRE*
113: CHE10 -> CRE10/E11? signage here sucks, but southbound on 113 there are signs for both
113: EveAve -> EveRd
115: move EvanHewHwy_E south
115: CHS* -> CRS*
115: CHS32_N -> HoltAve, CHS32_S -> CedAve? I can't find any shields here
115: PalmAve -> PalmAve_N
115: RutRd -> CRS26
116: x5 -> CazHwy (slightly moved)
116: ChuSt -> BohHwy
116: RivRd -> RivRd_E
116: LakHwy_S -> LakRd_S
116: OldAdoRd -> AdoRd
116: ArnDr -> ArnDr_N
118: 26 -> 27
118: 45 -> 44C, 46A -> 45, 46B -> 46
119: OldRivRd -> OldRivRd_S?

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #245 on: October 13, 2019, 10:01:13 pm »
111: I don't understand the placement of End. The border crossing has been moved west to Chavez Boulevard, and southbound traffic on 111 can (as of May 2019) only go to the duty free shop parking without having to U-turn and go the wrong way on a one-way street. Has anyone been here since then?

Thanks for reminding me of this loose end -- the revamping of the Calexico West POE at CA 111 has been in the works for some time.

"End" is the point around the railroad crossing where, AIUI, the Federales took over the road from Caltrans, as part of its expansion of the port of entry.

A quick prowl of GMSV shows that Mexico-bound traffic is now directed west on 2nd St., then turns south at Cesar Chavez, where there are signs indicating there is no U-turn before the border. But no signs indicating that CA 111 makes that turn. You can drive south of 2nd St. on Imperial Ave., but near the End waypoint there are now "no public access" signs. On my last visit to Calexico, I drove past End to the last U-turn before the border, and saw only a lot of construction south of 2nd St. @ Cesar Chavez.

My inclination is to just truncate CA 111 at the 2ndSt waypoint, since it's unclear what happened to CA 111 south of that waypoint after the POE reconfiguration, other than that Imperial Ave. south of 2nd St. is a short dead-end at best.

This, and all your other changes to ca111.wpt and ca111pal.wpt, and label corrections to I-10 route file, in https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3228
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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #246 on: October 14, 2019, 08:44:56 pm »
120: 1 -> 1A, 2 -> 1C
120: CH* -> CR*
120 is missing a point for CRJ7_S in Escalon
120: VasSt -> AndSt
120: OldCA120_W -> OldHwy120_W, OldCA120_E -> OldHwy120_E
120: CHJ20/J132 -> CRJ132
120lee: PopPPRd -> PooPPRd (huehue Beavis)
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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #247 on: October 14, 2019, 09:09:57 pm »
All the 120/120Lee changes look good. I'll put them in my queue, with the renamed AndSt tweaked a little.

The California Highways site has CRJ132 possibly co-designated as CRJ20, but only J132 is signed at CA 120 and CA 49, so it'll be changed to CRJ132 in both files.

Sorry to be skipping around like this, when I have more time I'll go back to address the others in a more orderly fashion.
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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #248 on: October 14, 2019, 09:38:58 pm »
121: DeMatRd_S -> Gate1, DeMatRd_N -> Gate7?
121: FARanRd -> CliCel?
123: according to PMQT, 123 turns west at MacArthur Boulevard. But this cannot be followed northbound, and signage doesn't specifically support either route; based on signage perhaps we should end it at that turn. There is 123 signage on westbound MacArthur at this intersection.
123: CutBlvd -> CutBlvd_E
125: 17 -> 16
125: 17A -> 16A (I hate this practice of making up exit numbers), 17B -> 18A, 18A -> 18B
125: 18B -> 18C; move north to the connector?
126: add ChiCanRd http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=34.419810&lon=-118.656775 to get rid of a long distance 'error'
126: ComCenDr -> 13 (some eejit must've thought it was sequential), recenter

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #249 on: October 15, 2019, 10:05:02 am »
It's not making up, it's disambiguating. ;)

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #250 on: October 15, 2019, 02:00:03 pm »
It's not making up, it's disambiguating. ;)
What would be wrong with 16_S and 16_N?

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #251 on: October 15, 2019, 06:34:37 pm »
89rA!2e0!7i16384!8i8192]13[/url] (some eejit must've thought it was sequential), recenter
I wouldn't be surprised if there hadn't been an exit there back when I first drafted the route back in '07 or '08.

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #252 on: October 15, 2019, 07:46:47 pm »
I'm saying there's an eejit at Caltrans, not you.

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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #253 on: October 15, 2019, 07:50:27 pm »
126: ComCenDr -> 13 (some eejit must've thought it was sequential), recenter

When I was last there, it was posted as exit 7 in the other direction, which is why I used no exit number at all. Now that's been "corrected" to 13 in both directions, perhaps by the same eejit. It's not on the CalNexus exit list, but the nearby interchange with "Castaic Junction" (unfinished ramps connecting to historic US 99) and I-5 are officially (but poorly signed. if at all) 40A  and 40B-C respectively. Go fig.

I'll later change and recenter ComCenDr => 13, and I-5 to 40B, as daffy as it may seem. I've included some other officially-designated but unsigned interchange numbers, though those other ones made more sense than this one.
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Re: usaca (California State Highways), preview system
« Reply #254 on: October 16, 2019, 01:28:09 pm »
CA254: Recommend dropping the "To" from ToUS101(663) and ToUS101(667A)

@yakra, see my discussion of similar issue over at canqc. re: QC 175 and A-740.

I haven't yet changed CA 254 (or the others you mentioned), while neroute2 is progressing on his usaca peer review.