Author Topic: chnbjs, chntjs, chnjjjs: Beijing, Tianjin, Jing-Jin-Ji Inter Expwys [Ready]  (Read 11047 times)

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Offline Nagamasa

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Three new systems:
  • chnbjs: Beijing Provincial Expressways
  • chntjs: Tianjin Provincial Expressways
  • chnjjjs: Jing-Jin-Ji Interprovincial Expressways (short for Beijing, Tianjin, Hebei)

Note: S3305 remains unsigned but fully concurrent with S6. chng in CHN-BJ and CHN-TJ can also be reviewed.

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The subject* indicates "Ready". Does it refer to "preview" oder "ready for review"?
Just by reading your post, I think that we should only review chnjjs once the Hebei Provincial Expressways are in preview too.

*We do usually not indicate the system status in the subject. We use this post for indicating status changes.

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Ready for review (at least at a high level, it was completed before chnsh was finished reviewing).

chnhb would about double the total length need to be reviewed, and with lower data quality, I prefer to not tackle at this time. Most of chnjjj is newer, with better OSM metadata and enough dashcam videos.

chnjjj mostly focuses on a grid network between BJ and TJ, which requires cutting through HE.
« Last Edit: May 17, 2025, 04:03:43 pm by Nagamasa »

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Ok. I'll review the three systems.

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Please fix this first:
https://courses.teresco.org/metal/hdx/?load=chnbj.nmp
https://courses.teresco.org/metal/hdx/?load=chntj.nmp


S66:
Does the route extend at east end? There is another GSJ just west of the toll station that could be the right end point. I don't know what "da xiu lu" means, the wp might also be called Lus for Lushangfen

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S66:
Does the route extend at east end? There is another GSJ just west of the toll station that could be the right end point. I don't know what "da xiu lu" means, the wp might also be called Lus for Lushangfen
Good question--I don't need any signage for S66 past the tollbooth for G4501, despite the the exit numbering continued: https://www.bilibili.com/video/BV1Xx4y1b7oN/?spm_id_from=333.337.search-card.all.click&vd_source=45addfe14efe619bf0f24730196bf14b

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Re: Beijing
« Reply #6 on: May 25, 2025, 01:53:58 pm »
S11:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.975422&lon=116.429125
Reposition 9 to the centerlines (G45 + G4501 too)


S12:
Reposition 3rdRingRd to centerlines (AH3 too)
Move 4 to overpass
Move 5 to underpass + centerline
9 -> 8 as indicated on OSM ?
Move T6 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.071639&lon=116.581829 please refer to https://travelmapping.net/devel/manual/points.php#two_way
T6 -> 9 as indicated on OSM ?


S15 / S3301:
Add hidden wp for future exit 4, label might be called +4 just like S32's +24
Reposition 3 to centerlines (G45 + G4501 too)
Reposition 5 to centerlines
Reposition BJ/TJ to centerline and actual boundary according to OSM (TJ's S30 and S3301 too)


S28:
Extend at west end ?
Reposition 2 to centerlines
Reposition 4 to centerlines
Reposition Air to centerlines


S32:
Reposition 15 to centerlines (underpass)
Reposition 60 to centerlines (underpass)
Reposition 65 to centerlines (underpass)


S35:
2 is currently at the southern ramps but there are also northern ramps. Since G101/G111 has two interchanges in-between, I suggest adding a wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.300703&lon=116.640574
Move 3 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=40.318864&lon=116.651330


S46:
Fine


S50:
Reposition 2 between offramp (where it currently is) and onramp to the east
Reposition 5 to centerlines (underpass)
Reposition 16 to centerlines (underpass) or end of the single on-ramp
Add 17A
17 -> 17B
Reposition 20 to centerlines (underpass)
Reposition S3501 to centerlines (overpass), S3501 too
Reposition 24B to centerlines (overpass)
Make +X211501 visible for Fengyuan Rd.
Move 28 to underpass
Sync 29 to the coords of G4's 8 coords
Add wp for single off-ramp north of 30 @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.872812&lon=116.202564
Remove +X484266
Reposition 43C between offramp (where it currently is) and onramp to the east
Reposition 44 to centerlines (overpass)
Reposition 45A to centerlines (overpass)
Reposition 45B to centerlines (underpass)


S51:
Add G1021 if there is one, or rename the wps


S66:
I think we should extend the route at east end as mentioned above
Reposition 21 to centerlines (underpass), G5 too


chnjjjs system
Why is it green instead of yellow? Green is the color of the AH routes and I don't think that we have to distinguish the S systems. We usually use one color for each tier per continent. For instance Europe: 1=blue, 2= teal, 3=green, 4=lightsalmon, 5=yellow; only tourist routes are brown. In France, D routes and M routes are all yellow albeit M routes are signed in blue.


S3300:
BJ/HE is off


S3301:
see above


S3501:
See S50


S3601:
BJ/HE is off
Reposition 18 to centerlines (underpass)


S3701:
Move G4501 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.989714&lon=116.086671 (G4501 too)
Exceeds limits b/n 25 and 36
Reposition 36 to centerline
Reposition 48 to centerlines (underpass)


S3801:
Reposition 13 to centerlines (underpass)
Reposition 41 to centerlines (underpass), G6 + AH3 too
Reposition 69 to centerlines

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AH routes are red.

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True. My bad. Sorry. Nonetheless, chnjjjs should be yellow. Just like si404 suggested in the review for fraxxxd + fraxxxm systems.

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Re: Tianjin
« Reply #9 on: June 11, 2025, 02:49:08 pm »
S3301 + S30:
What's your source for S308 and S217?
Move 39 to centerline
Move 51 to centerline
Move 56 to centerline
Move 63 to centerline
Move 72 to centerline
Move 78 to centerline
Move 90 to centerline (S1 too)
Move 99 to centerline
Move 100 to centerline
Move 109 to centerline
Move 123 to trumpet
Move 125 to trumpet
+X283274 is off


S3500:
Move HE/TJ to centerline (HE S3500 too)
+X170673 is off
+X318572 is off
Move 28 to centerline
Move 46 to centerline



S3600:
Move HE/TJ to centerline (HE S3600 too)
93(G2502) -> 93

S1:
Move 6 to centerline (S2 too)
Move 11 to centerline
Move 17 to centerline, see S3301/S30
+X430997 is off
Move 31 to overpass
+X374419 is off
45 is off
59 is off
Move 67 to trumpet, move G1 and AH1 to their trumpet interchange too
+X242589 is off
+X839060 is off
88 is off
Move 93 to centerline, G0121 too
Move 114 to underpass


S2:
I assume that you have a confirmation for the exit numbers. OSM does not indicate them.
Move 44 to centerline


S3:
Fine


S4:
X441 is off


S5:
Move G18 to centerlines, G18 and S50 too


S6:
Move 6 to trumpet, G18 to its trumpet too
Move 11 to underpass
41 is off, update G0211's wp too


S7:
+X604740 is off
91(G2) -> G2 since S7 is not concurrent with G2
TJ/HE is off


S11:
I assume that you have a confirmation for the exit numbers. OSM indicates other numberings.


S21:
Move 3 to trumpet, G0111 to its trumpet
Move 6 to trumpet, G25 to its trumpet
Move 19 to trumpet, G2502 to its trumpet
Move 22 to centerline
Move 41 to centerline
Move 66 to trumpet, G1 and AH1 to their trumpet
Move G0121 to centerline, G0121 too


S30:
see above


S40:
Move 56(G2) to trumpet, G2, AH3 and S71 to their trumpet
56(G2) -> G2
Move 133 to cenerline, G25 too
Update concurrent AH3 too


S50:
OSM does not indicate exit numbers...
CenAve -> ZhoAve ?
Split 11 into two wps ?
Move 14 to trumpet, G25 to its trumpet
Move 48 to centerline, see S5

S51:
Again, no exit numbers on OSM...
Move 37 to X461


S71:
Move G2 to trumpet, see S40


S85:
Fine

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Re: Beijing
« Reply #10 on: July 02, 2025, 02:46:45 am »
S12
Northbound, 8A and 8B exist.
Southbound, 9 and 8 exist.
8A/8B/8/9 are all not perfectly mapped. I added 8 though.

S50
17A as you called it is just the missing/displaced corner of the Exit 17 cloverleaf. Same interchange.
30A is actually just the underpass for the SB > EB direction. Sat imagery layer is a bit more clear on this.

S51
They're numbered as a part of G0121, but it is currently unsigned.

S66
They're numbered as a part of G0121, but it is currently unsigned.

S3600
93(G2502) is not a continuation of S3600's exit numbers, but actually the number from G2502. It is signposted on S3600 as 93.

S7
92(G2) is not a continuation of S7's exit numbers, but actually the number from G2. It is signposted on S7 as 92.

S11
Yeah verified via video.


S50
11 looks like a SPUI that's a little awkwardly folded due to the canal?
Looks like Zhongyang Ave is signed in English on S30. Zhongyang is translated to Central.

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Beijing

AH3:
62(G6) needs to be synched with G6/S3801 wp coords


S50
30A is actually just the underpass for the SB > EB direction. Sat imagery layer is a bit more clear on this.
North of 30: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.872635&lon=116.202570

There is also a single on-ramp south of 30: http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.856353&lon=116.213808 you should add


S51:
They're numbered as a part of G0121, but it is currently unsigned.

What exactly is unsigned? Either rename the wps - without "(G1021)" - or add G1021.


S66:
They're numbered as a part of G0121, but it is currently unsigned.

Copy-paste-error? What's the reason that you did not implement my suggestions?

S66:
I think we should extend the route at east end as mentioned above
Reposition 21 to centerlines (underpass), G5 too



S3701:
You missed my comments:
S3701:
Move G4501 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=39.989714&lon=116.086671 (G4501 too)
Exceeds limits b/n 25 and 36
Reposition 36 to centerline
Reposition 48 to centerlines (underpass)


Tianjin

S3600:
93(G2502) is not a continuation of S3600's exit numbers, but actually the number from G2502. It is signposted on S3600 as 93.

Ok, call the wp G2502.