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usanht: United States National Historic Trails
« on: June 27, 2025, 09:40:27 am »
ID: Nez Perce Trail - The data for the trail and US 20 don't align properly where they meet just north of Island Park. There is no point in the US20 file for the junction.

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Re: usanht: United States National Historic Trails
« Reply #1 on: June 27, 2025, 07:24:00 pm »
The LC Trail is missing the recently added point DisPkwy on its concurrency with US 63 in Columbia, MO.

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Re: usanht: United States National Historic Trails
« Reply #2 on: June 28, 2025, 05:17:01 pm »
A couple of notes I found while updating my .list file:
-In RI, multiple concurrences are broken for the WRTrl.
-In OH, related to my note for the Ohio River Scenic Byway in the usatr thread, might want to double-check the routing of LCTrl around I-71 in Cincinnati, as the two appear to be concurrent there.
Please note: All comments here represent my own personal opinion and do not reflect the official position of NYSDOT or its affiliates.

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Re: usanht: United States National Historic Trails
« Reply #3 on: June 29, 2025, 01:26:04 pm »
ID: Nez Perce Trail - The data for the trail and US 20 don't align properly where they meet just north of Island Park. There is no point in the US20 file for the junction.

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Thank you, michih. My apologies for breaching protocol.

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Re: usanht: United States National Historic Trails
« Reply #4 on: July 15, 2025, 05:15:52 pm »
The LC Trail (right bank) in Missouri is missing a point at the intersection of US 69 and Liberty Parkway (between LibPkwy_E and I-35(13)).
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Re: usanht: United States National Historic Trails
« Reply #5 on: July 19, 2025, 09:01:40 pm »
For the Oregon Trail:
(Source: https://trimet.org/publicart/pdf/greenline-i205-cultural-history.pdf , page 10)
"Settlers had two main paths to reach Oregon City, where they rested, restocked
and registered their Donation Land Claims (DLC). Until 1845, the main route
was overland to The Dalles, by water down the Columbia River and then up the
Willamette. After 1845, Sam Barlow’s road offered an overland alternative south
of Mount Hood, albeit a toll road. The Foster homestead, after which Foster
Road is named, was the first sign of civilization and the last stop before Oregon
City. Foster Road itself was an extension of the Barlow Road that led straight
towards Portland, rather than southward to Oregon City. Another path may have
developed down the same approximate path of I-205 and 82nd Avenue, from
the Sandy River to Powell Valley Road and then south."

For us, that would be along I-84 west of US 730, then I-205, OR 213 across the railroad tracks, then south on Washington St to the End of the Oregon Trail Interpretive Center. (I recall seeing Oregon Trail signage on southbound I-205 south of I-84 back in the '90s and aughts. I'll make a field check tomorrow).
Technically speaking, I-84 to OR 99E, and OR 99E to Oregon City should also be included, but there's never been any signage that I know of.

From my notes in the OR route fixes to match the Oregon Trail and Barlow Road:
Barlow Trail: Recenter western point with OR 211 to OR 224's location. Point needed with Eagle Creek Road needed (for Clinching via TriMet's line 30 Estacada).
Note: Suggested point with Barton County Park on Baker's Ferry Road just south of OR 224.
Extend north from its terminus at Abernethy/Washington north just a bit to the Interpretive Center (EndORTrl?).
Barlow Trail apparently has two points at the US 26/OR 35 interchange, one for each route. That should be collapsed into one point.

Barlow Trail_Wasco will need points at both intersections with Clark Street -- north of OR 206, and the one with OR 206.

Foster Road: No signage on the ground, but per TriMet, it looks like it was part of the Barlow Road from Damascus at OR 212 into Portland (Powell Blvd/US 26). No description given, but the connection to the rest of the Barlow Trail would be via the 212, 232nd Ave, and the 224 to Baker's Ferry Rd.

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Lewis and Clark Trail: Though I doubt it's signed in the field, the entirety of US 30Y (and NE 23th Ave) should be verified if it's officially part of the L&C Trail, as well as I-84 from there to US 730.
Also, for the Washington side, I think it goes north along the Astoria-Megler Bridge, not west to WA 100.

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Ok, now I'm curious. What was the Applegate Trail's routing? I remember seeing shields for it along OR 238 near Ruch as a kid.

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Re: usanht: United States National Historic Trails
« Reply #6 on: July 20, 2025, 12:20:50 am »
OR ORTrl will need to be resynced to OR 207.

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Re: usanht: United States National Historic Trails
« Reply #7 on: July 21, 2025, 09:45:06 am »
Extend north from its terminus at Abernethy/Washington north just a bit to the Interpretive Center (EndORTrl?).
If there were signs, it would extend there, but no. There's no shields in the car park or in front of the center or anything.

The Barlow Mill Road signs run out at Holcomb, and I fudged getting it to Washington Street because there's no turns. There's a 'Route of the Oregon Trail' sign at the west end of Holcomb Road but nothing further west. The intrepetation center isn't signed from Abernethy Road.
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Foster Road: No signage on the ground
Hence why it's not in the browser.
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Lewis and Clark Trail: Though I doubt it's signed in the field, the entirety of US 30Y (and NE 23th Ave) should be verified if it's officially part of the L&C Trail, as well as I-84 from there to US 730.
It is part of the trail, but not signed as such - hence why it's not in the browser.
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Also, for the Washington side, I think it goes north along the Astoria-Megler Bridge, not west to WA 100.
It's signed the way its mapped in the browser.

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Re: usanht: United States National Historic Trails
« Reply #8 on: July 22, 2025, 10:11:09 pm »
Washington-Rochambeau Trail Broken Concurrency Points:

(North to south)
US 1: SR611_N (Telegraph Rd/Old Colchester Rd), SR611_S (Furnace Rd)
VA 2: SR626, SR609, SR631_N, SR631_S
US 301/VA 2: SR695, SR1083, SR654

Not a broken concurrency, but the SR605 point from VA 326 needs to be added to the WRT as well.
« Last Edit: July 22, 2025, 10:17:18 pm by Markkos1992 »

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Re: usanht: United States National Historic Trails
« Reply #9 on: July 24, 2025, 11:17:11 pm »
I-205 is signed as Oregon Trail
https://maps.app.goo.gl/LmpUDrq628XDEHUs6

Also, per this sign where OR 213 leaves I-205, the official end for the Oregon Trail is at the Interpretive Center. By inference, that applies to the Barlow Toll Road.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/EBdyGifEzKAKCiWS8
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Re: usanht: United States National Historic Trails
« Reply #10 on: July 25, 2025, 02:51:42 pm »
Also, per this sign where OR 213 leaves I-205, the official end for the Oregon Trail is at the Interpretive Center. By inference, that applies to the Barlow Toll Road.
https://maps.app.goo.gl/EBdyGifEzKAKCiWS8
That sign just gives the name of the centre "End of the Oregon Trail Interpretation Center", rather than say the centre is the end of the trail.

There's also an "End of the Oregon Trail Landmark" on Union Street in The Dalles, so 'End of the Oregon Trail' is something disputed, but it does seem both routes end at the centre in Oregon City - there's 'RIVER ROUTE' signs on I-84 west of The Dalles

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Re: usanht: United States National Historic Trails
« Reply #11 on: July 25, 2025, 04:13:48 pm »
I missed a signed segment of the Old Spanish Trail in along NM 68. The northern end is here (where we conveniently already have the point CR52), and the southernmost sign is here. The distance between the two signs is under 14 miles (as opposed to the 15 miles stated on the sign), so extending the segment all the way south to US84/285 might be warranted.