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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #195 on: January 30, 2020, 05:26:45 pm »
New Mexico
We have US 66hisalb and US 66hisabq, both for Albuquerque. This is probably not good.
US 66hisabq/6: CodLimLn doesn't exist
US 66hisabq/6: BIA548 is gated; to avoid making too much distance between points, add AccRd
US 66hisabq/6: replace QuiRd with EmeRd, which has a street sign unlike the former
US 66hisabq: add LopRd between AreRd and BriBlvd_W to better define the route
US 66hisabq: BriBlvd_E -> AveCesCha
US 66hisabq: you can't drive straight through at CivPla. Nothing seems to be signed to fill the gap. Split at TisAve and MarAve, or at least replace CivPla with these two points to make it clear that this block has to be walked.
US 66hisabq: move I-40(159A) east a block
US 66hisabq: NM313/556 -> NM556_E
US 66hisabq/313: BIA701 -> SanLp
US 66hisabq: the turn onto US 550 is incorrect. US550_N -> US550, delete I-25(242), add OldNM474 (-> Hwy474) from 313 and NM313_N and I-25(248) from 315.

US 66hisalb: GraBlvd -> RioGraBlvd
US 66hisalb: add LomBlvd since you have to turn
US 66hisalb: JuaTabBlvd -> JuanTaboBlvd
US 66hisalb/333: add FourHilRd for the I-40 ramps
US 66hisalb/333: I-40(178) -> ToI-40(178)

US 66hisapa: I can't find any signs between I-25(307) and CRB47. So why do we continue 66 to I-40(319) but not fill the gap to I-25(307)? The one sign that shows it dead-ending at I-25(307)? Given the state of signage in New Mexico, it's easy to argue this is a simple error.
US 66hisapa: ToI-25 -> CRB26A
US 66hisapa/US 84: CRA25A -> FR2137
US 66hisapa/US 84: FR45 -> AurSprRan

US 66hisgal/118: CR32 -> SaltWatRd
US 66hisgal/I-40blgal/118: MenBlvd -> ArmOrtBlvd
I-40blgal: move GalMunApt east to FloSt to match the other routes
US 66hisgal/I-40blgal/118: move NM602 west to Arnold Street

US 66hisgra/122: CR23 -> Hay
US 66hisgra/122: NM615 -> I-40BL_W?
US 66hisgra/122: AspSt -> AspAve
US 66hisgra/122: move NM547 west half a block to match 547's file
US 66hisgra: NM122_E -> I-40BL_E?
US 66hisgra/124: BIA33_W -> AnzRd_W, BIA33_E -> AnzRd_E
US 66hisgra/124: replace BIA380 with a point at PueRd_W
US 66hisgra/124: BIA36 -> AcoRd
US 66hisgra/124: BIA30 -> PueRd_E
US 66hisgra/124: CR124 -> IntExt
US 66hisgra/124: BIA22 -> CasaBlaRd
US 66hisgra: move I-40(114) west to the circle as NM124_E
124: add OldRt66Rd
US 66hisgra: ISR53 -> BIA53? L53 (L for Laguna)?

US 66hissan/I-40blsan: US54_W -> US54_S
US 54: add NM91 to match other routes

US 66hissfe: how does it go downtown? Given the maps on https://www.usends.com/santa-fe.html the actual historic route from the west appears to be Galisteo-SF-around the plaza-Old Santa Fe, but this is not completely followable in either direction. Eastbound can almost do it, but you need to turn before the plaza on Don Gaspar or loop after on Cathedral. Westbound is horrible; a sign points right on Old Santa Fe Trail just west of WatSt_E, but then you're forced to Palace at Washington. Are there even any signs west of downtown? If not, perhaps delete everything west of WatSt_E and add these (also EAlaSt -> AlaSt and PasPer_E -> PasPer):
SanFraSt http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=35.686978&lon=-105.938137
WatSt_W http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=35.686085&lon=-105.938367

466: OldPecTr -> OldPecTr_N
US 66hissfe: add a point at NM300 to match 466

US 66histuc/I-40bltuc/US 54bustuc: CamCor -> CorRd
US 66histuc/I-40bltuc: NM237 -> US54Bus_E?
US 66histuc/I-40bltuc: NM104 -> NM104/209
US 66histuc: GSJ at CRAG east of NM278
US 66histuc: QuayRdAd -> CRAD (Quay is the county name)
US 66histuc: GSJ at CRU west of NM469
US 66histuc: QuayRdM -> CRM
US 66histuc: QuayRdG -> CRG
US 66histuc: ToNM392 is a dead end that doesn't access 392
US 66histuc: do we have confirmation of signage east of I-40(335)? east of NM469 (the unpaved portion)?

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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #196 on: January 30, 2020, 06:34:58 pm »
Ohio
US 6hischa: the west end should be at the pavement change at the city limits; the first sign can be seen ahead in the distance
US 20hisnor: PeruCenRd -> MainSt? it appears that Main becomes Peru Center at the city limits, but both are posted to be helpful
US 20hisnor: move US20_E east to the underpass
US 20hispai: ew, no touchy

Oklahoma
US 66hiscli: I-40(62) -> ToI-40(62)
US 66hiselk/I-40blelk: OK6_W -> OK6_N, OK6_E -> OK6_S
US 66hiselk/I-40blelk: AptEntRd -> ToCouClubBlvd and shift west
US 66hiselr: OK66 -> I-40BL_E since traffic on old 66 will continue on SH 66
US 66hiseri: continue west to the state line (where it meets TXSpr30)
I-40bleri: N1720 -> N1720_S
US 66hislko: MorRd -> OveDr_W, OveDr -> OveDr_E
US 66hismia: E0130 -> E0130_E
US 66hismia does not overlap US 69 between US69/10 and 1stAve. Move 1stAve slightly off and add a new point on both at CirDr where the overlap will begin.
US 66hismia/US 69: E0050 -> E0050_W (or E50Rd_W?)
US 66hismia/US 69altbax: MainSt -> CR137
US 66hismia: is this signed east of Commerce?

US 66hisntu: eastbound uses (from 10th) Detroit-2nd-1st-Norfolk-2nd. Westbound uses 2nd-Madison-3rd-Elgin (sign is long gone)-7th-Cheyenne (to 11th). I'm not sure how to handle eastbound using Detroit from 10th; maybe we ignore this (it's signed 'to' anyway since it's not the actual old alignment, but so are other turns that aren't on it). Maybe like so:
11thSt http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.145967&lon=-95.989856
7thSt_W http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.148748&lon=-95.991422
7thSt_E http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.151005&lon=-95.984910
3rdSt_W http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.155289&lon=-95.987184
NorAve http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=36.157710&lon=-95.978531

US 66hisntu: I-244 -> DelAve, move HarAve south halfway to 1st Street
US 66hisntu: US66His_E -> 11thSt
US 66hisokl is in the wrong direction
US 66hisokl: I-235(2B) -> BroAve? I-235(2A) -> SanFeAve?
US 66hisokl: I-35(141) -> I-35
US 66hisokl/US 77: WEdmRd -> EdmRd
US 66hisokl/US 77: BouSt -> Blvd
US 66histul: why the west end at 51stSt? if the westernmost sign is at 33rdAve, end it at the city limits
US 66histul: move I-244(1D) southwest to the overpass
US 66hisvin/US 60/US 69: ScrRd -> ScrSt
US 66hisvin: I-44(289) -> I-44

US 66hiswea: signage is a little different west of downtown. SWMainSt -> MainSt_W and replace OK54_N with:
OK54_N http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=35.524927&lon=-98.715656
SWMainSt_W http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=35.524927&lon=-98.712566
Also add RaiSt (not RaiAve) on 54.

US 66hiswea: I-40(88) -> OK58_N and move northwest, N2480 -> OK58_S, and I don't know what to do with 58med (it has a one-way pair per signage).
« Last Edit: January 30, 2020, 08:02:35 pm by neroute2 »

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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #197 on: January 30, 2020, 09:07:15 pm »
Oregon
US 30hiscas: I found one sign; it's very recent. Are we sure it exists west of I-84(47)? If so, could it use Forest Lane west of ForLn?
US 30hiscol: delete I-84(18); it ends at HistColRivHwy (and is signed 'to' at I-84(18))
US 30hiscol: HistColRivHwy -> CroPoiHwy
US 30hiscol: StarkSt -> StaSt
US 30hiscol: BellRd -> BellRd_W, move MerRd just west to BellRd_E
US 30hiscol: *Fall -> *Fal
US 30hiscol: BriVeilFall -> BriVeil?
US 30hiscol: there's nothing at OneFall
US 30hiscol: I-84(35) -> ToI-84(35) and move southwest
US 30hisrow/US 30: RocCreRd -> RockCreRd
US 30hisrow/US 30: RowCrst -> RowCre?
US 30hisrow: delete I-84(82)

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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #198 on: January 30, 2020, 09:48:24 pm »
Texas
US 66hisama: Why ArnRd and not DowRd or HopeRd? are there signs west of the turn at I-40BL_W? If there are none, maybe it'd be best to extend it to HillRd, where original 66 curved left under the railroad (remnant pavement?).
US 66hisama/TXLp 279: GeoSt -> McMasSt
US 66hisama: does this sign in the background point straight or left on Fillmore? Fillmore was 66 from the beginning, so it probably points left, meaning delete US60_W and add something on Amarillo Boulevard between Fillmore and Pierce.
US 66hisama/I-40blama: missing GSJ at LakeSt west of TX136
US 66hisama/I-40blama: AveB -> BAve

Washington
US 10hische: where is this signed? I can't find anything on GSV
US 10hisfre: presumably we have confirmation that this exists
US 10hisrit is not signed at RdU (which is actually U Road), but is signed eastbound at the county line. So truncate it at a new Gra/Ada point.
US 10hisrit: LauRd barely exists
US 10hisrit: this is not signed east of PahaPacRd_N (-> PahaPacRd). It needs to be split in two, restarting at I-90(220).
US 10hisrit: I-90BL_E -> SchRd? I-90 BL isn't signed here
I-90blrit: move DanRd_E to the right place
US 10hisrit: NorHilRd -> NHilRd?
US 10hisrit: add DurRd southeast of I-90(231)
US 10hisrit needs field checking to see how far east it's signed in Sprague
US 99hisfed: truncate the south end to a new Pie/Kin point at the county line
US 99hisfed/WA 99: move 16thAve_S south
US 99hisfed/WA 99: 16thAve -> 16thAve_N
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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #199 on: February 04, 2020, 03:06:12 pm »
Oregon
US 30hiscas: I found one sign; it's very recent. Are we sure it exists west of I-84(47)? If so, could it use Forest Lane west of ForLn?
I'm going to need to field verify the route when I return from India; I saw that shield from I-84 but gmsv wasn't helpful.
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US 30hiscol: delete I-84(18); it ends at HistColRivHwy (and is signed 'to' at I-84(18))
If anything, I'm going to move the western terminus to the western exit 17 -
While US 30 doesn't peel off from I-84 until Cascade Locks, it is unsigned between 17 and 35, making US 30H defacto US 30. Furthermore, Hist Col Riv Hwy itself begins at 244th Ave (though from 244th to 257th isn't useful for us), and the US 30H shield at 257th and Frontage Rd is ambiguous enough (no 'to' assembly).
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US 30hiscol: HistColRivHwy -> CroPoiHwy
US 30hiscol: StarkSt -> StaSt
US 30hiscol: BellRd -> BellRd_W, move MerRd just west to BellRd_E
US 30hiscol: *Fall -> *Fal
US 30hiscol: BriVeilFall -> BriVeil?
US 30hiscol: there's nothing at OneFall
Without looking, that should be the Oneita Falls trailhead and should have parking nearby. Will double check that.
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US 30hiscol: I-84(35) -> ToI-84(35) and move southwest
US 30hisrow/US 30: RocCreRd -> RockCreRd
US 30hisrow/US 30: RowCrst -> RowCre?
US 30hisrow: delete I-84(82)

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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #200 on: March 12, 2020, 11:51:26 pm »
Oregon
US 30hiscol: delete I-84(18); it ends at HistColRivHwy (and is signed 'to' at I-84(18))

I drove this today, and can confirm the clear END sign at the bridge at point HistColRivHwy, well before I-84.  As a driver trying to clinch, I saw this sign and assumed it was "safe" to turn left across the bridge to drive into Troutdale.

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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #201 on: May 21, 2020, 09:54:35 pm »
Any information on this sign in Minnesota? https://www.usends.com/61.html says nothing more.

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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #202 on: May 22, 2020, 07:39:37 am »
^ Put up by Chisago County to mark the former routing.  Officially a county route.

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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #203 on: May 22, 2020, 09:51:27 am »
^ Put up by Chisago County to mark the former routing.  Officially a county route.
Which is different from the rest of this system how?

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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #204 on: May 22, 2020, 10:19:15 am »
^ Put up by Chisago County to mark the former routing.  Officially a county route.
Which is different from the rest of this system how?

"Old" rather than "Historic"? Maybe that shouldn't make a difference, but then other states like Maryland occasionally use "Old" banners on former routings with no historic significance.
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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #205 on: May 22, 2020, 07:16:23 pm »
^ Put up by Chisago County to mark the former routing.  Officially a county route.
Which is different from the rest of this system how?

Routes considered for "US Historic Routes" have brown shields, or background, and have 'Historic' in the banner above the number.


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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #206 on: June 24, 2020, 09:03:08 am »
There's a label IA192 in ia.us006hiscou but we have no IA 192 in TM.

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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #207 on: June 24, 2020, 09:30:12 am »
Look at any of your base maps for Council Bluffs, Iowa. Iowa 192 used to run through the heart of Council Bluff (as a N-S arterial) and whomever set up the routing for Historic US 6, had the western extent end at (the now former) routing of Iowa 192.
Yes, there is no Iowa 192 signed in Council Bluff. I don't recall seeing any signs for that road when I was in Council Bluff/Omaha, last year (doing Lincoln Hwy traveling).

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Re: usaush: United States Historic US Routes
« Reply #208 on: June 24, 2020, 09:38:42 am »