usaush: United States Historic US Routes

[mapcat]

This? I think it's small enough that we can ignore it.

[osu-lsu]

This? I think it's small enough that we can ignore it.

AND the other side of Wakeman 

[mapcat]

AND the other side of Wakeman 

That one must be even smaller.

[vespertine]

Missouri info: there are two areas where US66His veers off from the current routing.

First, off MO96 near Spencer. US66His veers off MO96 here, turns right on MO N (sign from other direction), crosses MO96 and heads onto MO266 from there.

Also, there appears to be a US66His from some time period that goes through downtown Rolla. While signage on I-44BL indicates it stays on I-44BL (1) SB before Pine (2) NB turning onto US63, SB signage appears on Pine St and Rolla St, NB signage at 6th St. Something curious.

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[Highway63]

My "EZ 66 Guide" (2015) has answers to both of these.

Old 66 at Spencer: The “EZ66 Guide” agrees with your suggestion, and OSM even labels it as “Route 66 (1926-1961)”. Google seems to be confused just which route to the northeast is MO 266 (what I have is right). I will change this.

Old 66 at Rolla: The guide labels the Pine-6th-Kingshighway route an "optional city route". BL 44 is the preferred route, probably because the other goes right into the edge of college traffic at the institution formerly known as the University of Missouri-Rolla.

[si404]

Might be worth adding in the Rolla section as if it was a bannered route.

[mapcat]

Historic 99 seems to have a problem south of San Fernando. What route is it following between VanNuys and TruSt_S?

Also, VanNuys should probably be VanNuysBlvd since that intersection is not in Van Nuys.

[oscar]

^ I'm unfamiliar with that and most other historic US routes in CA. So I'll defer to more knowledgeable people on this one.

[si404]

Looks like the fairly simple problem of the wrong CA118 point being added to the US99His file as it's 44B one way and 44C the other, with 44B in that direction being the point taken.

And yes, VanNuysBlvd rather than VanNuys.

[cl94]

I drove a decent amount of CA US40HisAub this afternoon. That is signed east to at least I-80 Exit 133, using Geisendorfer Road, Paoli Lane, Ponderosa Way, and Canyon Way. I propose extending it east from where it currently ends along that route to Exit 133. I got on 80 at Exit 133, but a GSV survey shows another segment of Historic 40 running east from Exit 135 via Auburn Street and Main Street to SR 174 on the north side of town. This does not appear to be connected to the segment that ends at 133, but I need to field check.

GSV surveying shows yet another segment stretching following Rollins Lake Road, Magra Road, and Gold Run Road. I'm not finding  a signed connection between this and the other segments, but again I need to field check.

[si404]

I drove a decent amount of CA US40HisAub this afternoon. That is signed east to at least I-80 Exit 133, using Geisendorfer Road, Paoli Lane, Ponderosa Way, and Canyon Way. I propose extending it east from where it currently ends along that route to Exit 133. I got on 80 at Exit 133, but a GSV survey shows another segment of Historic 40 running east from Exit 135 via Auburn Street and Main Street to SR 174 on the north side of town. This does not appear to be connected to the segment that ends at 133, but I need to field check. GSV surveying shows yet another segment stretching following Rollins Lake Road, Magra Road, and Gold Run Road. I'm not finding  a signed connection between this and the other segments, but again I need to field check.

I had a Colfax segment, for some reason not in the browser, between I-80 exits 130 and 144.

There's the question of implied routings filling in short gaps. I had the gap as between exits 129-130, you have it as 133-135 and along CA174.

Having convinced myself in the past that there's no gaps where you have them, and you saying there's no gap where I have it, I've extended the Auburn file to exit 144. This may change when I rehash CA in more detail.

[cl94]

I drove a decent amount of CA US40HisAub this afternoon. That is signed east to at least I-80 Exit 133, using Geisendorfer Road, Paoli Lane, Ponderosa Way, and Canyon Way. I propose extending it east from where it currently ends along that route to Exit 133. I got on 80 at Exit 133, but a GSV survey shows another segment of Historic 40 running east from Exit 135 via Auburn Street and Main Street to SR 174 on the north side of town. This does not appear to be connected to the segment that ends at 133, but I need to field check. GSV surveying shows yet another segment stretching following Rollins Lake Road, Magra Road, and Gold Run Road. I'm not finding  a signed connection between this and the other segments, but again I need to field check.

I had a Colfax segment, for some reason not in the browser, between I-80 exits 130 and 144.

There's the question of implied routings filling in short gaps. I had the gap as between exits 129-130, you have it as 133-135 and along CA174.

Having convinced myself in the past that there's no gaps where you have them, and you saying there's no gap where I have it, I've extended the Auburn file to exit 144. This may change when I rehash CA in more detail.

I'll try and do a field check in Colfax this spring. A lot of the Historic 40 signs are new since GSV was last through, so who knows what the heck is actually signed on the ground.

[Bickendan]

US 99H Los Angeles needs to be looked at. The alignment around CA 110 and I-5 is strange.

[si404]

Looking, it's 1PPIing the ramp between CA110 and N San Fernando Road with the pre-existing exit 26A point on CA110.

[bejacob]

US66HisStL has a few places is western MO where the actual signed differs from what is in the HB.

Two minor deviations are in Joplin (between MO43_N and I-49BL_S) and Carthage (between WilSt_N and CR118). In Joplin, Route 66 turns north at the waypoint named StLouAve. It then makes a right turn on to Euclid Ave following this street to Utica St. It goes a couple blocks before turning north on Florida St where it meets up with what's currently in the HB. All the turns are clearly signed. In Carthage, the signs direct US66His around the opposite side of Kellogg Lake. At WilSt_N, the signed route turns right following Esterly Drive around the lake and joining up with Old 66 Blvd where it turns right and follows the HB routing to CR118. GMSV has good imagery at each turn to confirm my recent field check.

A much bigger deviation occurs in Springfield, MO (which claims to be the "birthplace of Route 66"). The section in question is between waypoints SceAve and US65Bus. Coming into Springfield, US66HisStL follows W Chestnut Expy, concurrent with I-44BLSpr. At College Rd, I-44BLSpr veers slightly left consistent with what's in the HB. Route 66 veers right and follows College Rd. It continues along W College Rd, around Park Central Square, and on to E Saint Louis St until it reaches US65Bus (Glenstone Ave) where it turns north and meets up with I-44-BL at the intersection of Glenstone and E Chestnut Expy. From this point the HB is correct at least as far as Rolla (haven't driven the route beyond that). The route it well-signed and GMSV backs up what I saw in the field.

The alternate routings of Route 66 in this area all have good signage and are correct in the HB.