usaush: United States Historic US Routes

[vdeane]

If you are doing an area - then you'll see signs, know that it's something we're adding and probably drive it. Certainly you'd request the route be added/add the route yourself so that it exists and you can grab it. We've had lots of these "I was driving here, and this route was signed" posts with state routes, auxiliary US routes and the like.

If you are intrigued by this system specifically, then you'd know that there's no nice neat record and you'd keep your ear to the ground about new signs going up and such like. And, again, request/add routes as you are made aware of them. Now sure, it's a little harder than AASHTO publishing approved route changes (but isn't dissimilar to the many many states that add in/remove auxillary US routes/Business I-routes without informing AASHTO) or detailed lists being made and published by the state DoT regularly. But it's not impossible.

Not necessarily.  The Historic US 20 route near New Lebanon, NY has zero signage in the field, even on the small piece of the route that isn't concurrent with modern US 20 (which I made a special trip to clinch a couple years ago, since I had already seen everything else in the area and therefore have no other reason to go there).  Signage for the other Historic US 20 route in NY is a small shield attached with zip ties to an existing sign by the Historic US 20 group.

[Highway63]

There's a spur route of 66 in Illinois along the road leading up to the old Chain of Rocks Bridge.

I can make a file with a point at the parking lot and then across the river for those who walk it. I don't know quite what to do in MO, though, because a matching file would be the walking path across the bridge to the lot on that side.

I apologize for my non-attention to the historic routes and will try to spend some time on them this week.

[mapcat]

I can make a file with a point at the parking lot and then across the river for those who walk it. I don't know quite what to do in MO, though, because a matching file would be the walking path across the bridge to the lot on that side.

I think that ending it at the parking lot is fine. Is the walking path across the bridge signed as a highway?

[Highway63]

It's got "Historic 66" signs but it's closed to vehicles, but it is walkable.

[yakra]

VT65 Brookfield Floating Bridge?

[Duke87]

Well here's something: http://www.historicus20.com/historic-route-signage.html
As far as I can tell from the pics there is an extant US20His in Marlborough and Becket, MA (although I have no idea of the routings).
There are also some links at the bottom that may or may not be useful.

I would like to point out that the Historic US 20 signs shown in Massachusetts on this site were either photoshopped into those pictures, or temporarily mounted by the owner of that website (Bryan Farr) for the purpose of taking a picture and then removed.

Bryan has been lobbying to get Historic US 20 signage on old alignments in every state it passes through, but as far as I can tell none have actually been posted in Massachusetts.

For exaple this is what the location of the sign shown in Marlborough actually looks like as of August 2017: https://www.google.com/maps/@42.​3469468,-71.5471033,3a,15y,291.97​h,88.38t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1slI4B​fV3qyoshnye-RXCzZg!2e0!7i13312!8i​6656

[froggie]

VT65 Brookfield Floating Bridge?

Has been reopened to vehicle traffic for over a year now...

[neroute2]

So...how does CA US40HisSac actually go downtown? The way TM handles one-way pairs makes it impossible to tell.
(It also doesn't seem to play well with the CA160 waypoint AmeRiv.)

[oscar]

So...how does CA US40HisSac actually go downtown? The way TM handles one-way pairs makes it impossible to tell.
(It also doesn't seem to play well with the CA160 waypoint AmeRiv.)

It helps, on following the route in the field, that US40HisSac has pretty good signage, while the corresponding former CA 160 segment through downtown doesn't have even remnant signage.

The AmeRiv waypoint on CA 160 was added after the historic routes were drafted. Lots of other historic route waypoints are out of synch with intersecting/concurrent usaca routes, as one might expect when historic routes in CA were drafted while most everything else in CA was being comprehensively updated and overhauled.

[si404]

I believe, when drafting the route, CA160 still extended there, so I just copied that (I have no other idea why I would have put a shaping point near Alkali Flat) - presumably only checking eastbound as it disagrees with westbound.

Eastbound reassurance signs on: Capitol Ave near the railway bridge, N just before 15th, 16th just after N, Del Paso near Globe.

Westbound signs on: Del Paso near Baxter, 12th at Fat Alley, Capitol Ave near the railway bridge.

We can infer Tower Bridge as being part of the route, for obvious reasons. But how to get to it from 12th/G or from it to N/15th? Assuming there's no radical difference between the routes for each direction, we can assume Hist 40 comes down 12th to L. The question has to be (other than needing to fix the route north of downtown) whether it takes the L-N pair between 9th and 3rd, or whether it takes the Capitol Mall. I gather the Capitol Mall was part of 40 (pictures of old postcards supposedly showing signage), but if you went L or N instead, then you can fudge it and call it clinched!

[mapcat]

@Si: in case you're unaware, there are a few Historic US 165 signs on LA 125 (and possibly other routes) in Louisiana:

https://www.google.com/maps/@31.9282339,-92.2011321,3a,39.5y,299.79h,94.24t/data=!3m6!1e1!3m4!1srez5dOHeS_U9jq_j0lGciQ!2e0!7i13312!8i6656

[si404]

So I traced them (and it's just LA125 for that bit) in GMSV, and when I move from 2014 imagery to 2016 imagery, the signs disappear. This isn't "I can't find signs on more recent imagery" but "this sign that I see in 2014 imagery doesn't exist when I move a tiny bit and the image date changes". All LA125/US165 junctions, and where LA124 turns west too. It seems the signs are gone, or meant to be going.

[neroute2]

It seems the signs are gone, or meant to be going.

Confirmed here:
http://www.google.com/maps/@31.8939923,-92.2614889,3a,75y,76.61h,86.71t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1svgt51Fuqy9K9IPnGmSjXxg!2e0!5s20140601T000000!7i13312!8i6656 (2014)
http://www.google.com/maps/@31.8939972,-92.2614632,3a,75y,76.61h,86.71t/data=!3m7!1e1!3m5!1sjC7jgpLgtsfhzuEiXr8Klw!2e0!5s20160701T000000!7i13312!8i6656 (2016)
I wonder why they were removed. Ninjasigning without state approval?

[osu-lsu]

Wonder where all the 'Historic US 61' shields for the bypassed routes, between Baton Rouge & the Louisiana/Mississippi Border, are? 

[mapcat]

I drove the length of US20HisBri yesterday and didn't see any Historic US 20 signs, just these.