Travel Mapping
Railway Data Discussion => In-progress Railway Systems & Work => Topic started by: Duke87 on August 12, 2023, 04:58:07 pm
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List of potential systems (Black=not yet drafted (not in HB), Brown = legacy drafted, not yet cleaned up (preview), Orange = clean draft (preview), Blue = fully reviewed, ready to activate when site goes live (held preview for now), Green = active).
Tier 1 Systems
canvia - VIA Rail
usaamtk - Amtrak
usaarr - Alaska Railroad
Tier 2 Systems (commuter railroads)
canexo - EXO Commuter Rail
cango - GO Transit (si404)
canwce - West Coast Express (Compdude787)
usambtx - MBTA Commuter Rail
usacndx - CTRail
usamncr - Metro-North
usalirr - Long Island Rail Road
usanjtr - NJ Transit Rail
usasepa - SEPTA Regional Rail
usamarc - MARC Train
usavre - Virginia Railway Express
usacfr - SunRail (si404)
usatrcx - Tri-Rail (si404)
usablfx - Brightline (si404)
usametx - Metra Commuter Rail
usanicd - South Shore Liine
usamnrx - Northstar Line (froggie)
usatre - Trinity Railway Express
usacmr - Capital MetroRail
usartdx - RTD Commuter Rail (the_spui_ninja)
usautax - UTA Frontrunner (the_spui_ninja)
usanmrx - New Mexico Rail Runner (the_spui_ninja)
usasdrx - Sounder Commuter Rail (Compdude787)
usawes - WES Commuter Rail (Bickendan)
usajpbx - CalTrain (cl94)
usaace - Altamont Corridor Express (cl94)
usasmart - Sonoma-Marin Area Rail Transit (cl94)
usascax - L.A. Metrolink
usanctc - San Diego NCTD Commuter Rail
Tier 2 Systems (tourist/heritage railroads)
usatr - US Tourist and Heritage Railroads
Tier 3 Systems
canstm - Montreal Metro
canttc - Toronto Subway
canmvrd - Vancouver SkyTrain (Compdude787)
usambta - MBTA Subway
usanycs - New York City Subway
usapath - Port Authority Trans-Hudson Railroad
usasir - Staten Island Railway
usasepta - SEPTA Rapid Transit
usapatco - PATCO High Speed Line
usabmsl - Baltimore Metro SubwayLink
usawmat - Washington Metro
usamarta - MARTA Rail
usawdw - Walt Disney World Monorail (si404)
usamdt - Miami-Dade Metrorail
usarta - Cleveland RTA Heavy Rail
usacta - Chicago "L"
usalvm - Las Vegas Monorail (cl94)
usabart - Bay Area Rapid Transit (cl94)
usalams - L.A. Metro Subway
usahart - Honolulu Skyline
Tier 4 Systems
canrem - Montreal Réseau Express Métropolitain
canot - Ottawa O-Train
canttclr - TTC Light Rail (under construction, not open yet)
canct - Calgary CTrain
canets - Edmonton Light Rail
usambtlr - MBTA Light Rail
usahblr - Hudson-Bergen Light Rail
usanlr - Newark Light Rail
usarivl - River LINE
usaseplr - SEPTA Trollies
usablrl - Baltimore Light RailLink
usadcsc - DC Streetcar
usatide - The Tide
usalynx - Charlotte LYNX
usanfta - Buffalo Metro Rail
usapitlr - Pittsburgh Light Rail (The T)
usartalr - Cleveland RTA Light Rail
usamtlr - Minnesota METRO Transit (Light Rail)
usabsda - St Louis MetroLink (neroute2)
usadart - DART Light Rail
usadcta - DCTA A-Train
usamtahc - Houston Metro
usautat - UTA Trax Light Rail (the_spui_ninja)
usartdz - RTD Light Rail (the_spui_ninja)
usavmr - Phoenix Valley Metro Rail
usast - Sound Transit Light Rail (Compdude787)
usamax - Portland MAX (Bickendan)
usamuni - San Francisco MUNI (cl94)
usavta - VTA Light Rail (cl94)
usasrt - Sacramento RT Light Rail (cl94)
usalamlr - L.A. Metro Light Rail
usamts - San Diego Trolley
usaebart - Eastern Contra Costa Country BART extension (eBART) (cl94)
Tier 5 Systems (not exhaustive list)
canair - Canada Landside Airport People Movers (si404) (only Toronto YYZ has one)
cantsc - Toronto Streetcars (si404)
usaair - US Landside Airport People Movers
usaairtrn - AirTrain - moved to usaair
usarooist - Roosevelt Island Tramway
usaatl - ATL SkyTrain - moved to usaair
usajta - Jacksonville Skyway (si404)
usahart - TECO Line Streetcar, Tampa (si404)
usamiam - MIA Mover - moved to usaair
usammm - Miami Metromover
usair - US Incline Railroads
usawvuprt - Morgantown Personal Rapid Transit
usahunhts - Huntsville Hospital Tram System
usadpm - Detroit People Mover
usaql - Q-Line Streetcar
usamata - Memphis Trolley (neroute2)
usakcsc - Kansas City Streetcar (the_spui_ninja)
usadsc - Dallas Streetcars
usaelpsc - El Paso Streetcar
usaokcs - Oklahoma City Streetcar
usautas - UTA S-Line (the_spui_ninja)
usaae - Aria Express - moved to usalvct
usambt - Mandalay Bay Tram - moved to usalvct
usamti - Mirage-Treasure Island Tram - moved to usalvct
usapvm - Primm Valley Monorail (no longer in service)
usatsc - Tempe Streetcar
usaphx - PHX SkyTrain
usascm - Seattle Center Monorail (Compdude787)
usassc - Seattle Streetcars (Compdude787)
usapsc - Portland Streetcar (Bickendan)
usawst - Willamette Shore Trolley (Bickendan)
usasfcc - San Francisco Cable Cars (cl94)
usalvct - Las Vegas Casino Trams (cl94)
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Other Florida (non-airport) systems I'm aware of:
Tier 2
Brightline (Tier 1?)
SunRail
Tier 5
Disney Skyliner (like the monorail, it's open to the public and connects public areas of hotels and park entrances)
Also, do we want to include the Capitol Subway in DC? It seems to be open to the public as long as you have legitimate business in the building complex. Earlier this year I was part of a group talking to congresspeople and I was able to see the platforms (but didn't ride because we were time-limited).
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as long as you have legitimate business in the building complex.
This right here is an access restriction. And not a trivial one either - I couldn't begin to think of what "legitimate business" I might ever have there. So I'm voting hard no.
I keep forgetting Brightline, SunRail, and Tri-Rail are distinct things so thanks for the reminder I'll add the former two to the list.
Disney Skyliner gives me indigestion on account of it's an aerial tramway and thus not a railroad. Yes I know the Roosevelt Island Tramway is already in there. I don't really think it belongs either but am not going to delete it without consensus in favor.
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While I'm here I'd also like to propose merging Hudson-Bergen Light Rail and Newark Light Rail into one system, NJ Transit Light Rail. Seeing as the two share a common owner, common ticketing practices, and even the same rolling stock. Any objections?
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Tier 2: TriMet WES [Westside Express Service] (usawes?)
Heritage -- Mt Hood Railroad (usamth?)
Tillamook Railroad (usatil?)
Tier 4: Portland MAX -> TriMet MAX [Metropolitan Area Express]
Tier 5: Portland Streetcar (usapdxsc?)
Portland OHSU Aerial Tram (usaohsu?)
Willamette Shore Trolley (usawil?)
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{snip}
Added except for the aerial tram since that's an outstanding issue. Probably should make a dedicated thread for it.
Regarding the system abbreviations and names, a few things I might as well document:
- commuter rail systems generally use the railroad's official reporting mark (e.g. TRCX is Tri-Rail, hence usatrcx)
- urban transit systems tend to use the abbreviation for the agency that runs it if a simple one is available, but with extra added to disambiguate if there are multiple systems with the same owner (e.g. usarta and usartalr, the heavy and light rail services, respectively, of the Rapid Transit Authority in Cleveland)
- unless another obvious abbreviation is available streetcars are often the first letter(s) of the city name + sc
- if a system specifically serves a particular airport that airport's IATA code gets used (e.g. usaatl for the ATL SkyTrain), and on the flipside I would avoid using the airport code if airport is not involved in order to avoid confusion (so no "pdx" unless it's something serving Portland International Airport)
Ultimately though this is going to be less formulaic than it is for roads, so there will be cases where something has multiple reasonable possibilities. In which case the important thing is to pick one and use it consistently.
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The Primm Valley Monorail is no longer operating; should we still map that?
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The Primm Valley Monorail is no longer operating; should we still map that?
Was wondering about that. If it's no longer in service then no. Noted accordingly but not removed from list in case anyone asks or in case it's ever reactivated.
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SD Tourist Railroads:
1880 Train (Black Hills Central Railroad): https://www.1880train.com/ (https://www.1880train.com/)
Prairie Village, Herman, and Milwaukee Railroad: https://www.prairievillage.org/railroad/ (https://www.prairievillage.org/railroad/)
Other Railroads
UTA FrontRunner: https://www.rideuta.com/Services/FrontRunner (https://www.rideuta.com/Services/FrontRunner) (Tier 2)
Will add the Colorado tourist railroads in another post.
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Montana Tourist Railroads:
Alder Gulch Shortline Railroad: https://virginiacitymt.com/Experience-The-Old-West/Train-Rides-and-Schedule (https://virginiacitymt.com/Experience-The-Old-West/Train-Rides-and-Schedule)
Charlie Russell Chew Choo (do dinner railroads count?): https://montanadinnertrain.com/ (https://montanadinnertrain.com/)
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Colorado Tourist Railroads:
Cripple Creek Railroad: https://cripplecreekrailroad.com/ (https://cripplecreekrailroad.com/)
Cumbres and Toltec Scenic Railroad: https://cumbrestoltec.com/ (https://cumbrestoltec.com/) (also in NM)
Durango and Silverton Narrow-Gauge Railroad: https://www.durangotrain.com/ (https://www.durangotrain.com/)
Fort Collins Trolley: https://www.fortcollinstrolley.org/ (https://www.fortcollinstrolley.org/)
Georgetown Loop Railroad: https://www.georgetownlooprr.com/ (https://www.georgetownlooprr.com/)
Pikes Peak Cog Railway: https://www.cograilway.com/ (https://www.cograilway.com/)
Denver Trolley: http://www.denvertrolley.org/ (http://www.denvertrolley.org/)
Royal Gorge Route Railroad: https://www.royalgorgeroute.com/ (https://www.royalgorgeroute.com/)
Royal Gorge Incline (might be closed, was open in 2011 when I went on it)
Leadville Railroad: https://www.leadville-train.com/ (https://www.leadville-train.com/)
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Utah Tourist Railroads
Wild Kingdom Train (should zoo railroads be included?): http://www.lagoonpark.com/ride/wild-kingdom-train/ (http://www.lagoonpark.com/ride/wild-kingdom-train/)
Heber Valley Railroad: https://www.hebervalleyrr.org/ (https://www.hebervalleyrr.org/)
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Technically, Metro Transit in Minnesota has a Tier 2 line: the Northstar line is a legit commuter rail line. Not sure how to handle this, but I'm happy to cover Minnesota.
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Technically, Metro Transit in Minnesota has a Tier 2 line: the Northstar line is a legit commuter rail line. Not sure how to handle this, but I'm happy to cover Minnesota.
So, that's a tier 2 system separate from the tier 4 light rail system then.
Since no one else has claimed it, it's yours.
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I'd be interested in drafting the systems in the Seattle area. One question I have is, why is the Seattle Center Monorail listed as tier 5? I think that because the monorail trains have similar capacity to Las Vegas' (or Disney World's) monorail cars and because they're integrated into the regional transit system (ORCA cards are accepted on the monorail), it should be at tier 3 like the other two I mentioned.
Also, I might be interested in creating the Vancouver Skytrain. Vancouver also has a commuter rail line called the West Coast Express.
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I'd be interested in drafting the systems in the Seattle area. One question I have is, why is the Seattle Center Monorail listed as tier 5? I think that because the monorail trains have similar capacity to Las Vegas' (or Disney World's) monorail cars and because they're integrated into the regional transit system (ORCA cards are accepted on the monorail), it should be at tier 3 like the other two I mentioned.
Also, I might be interested in creating the Vancouver Skytrain. Vancouver also has a commuter rail line called the West Coast Express.
Go ahead and take on drafting for Seattle and Vancouver.
The Seattle Center Monorail is tier 5 because it's a short shuttle and thus has the function of a people mover. Also importantly, it's smaller and less significant than Sound Transit Light Rail, which is in Tier 4. Fare integration isn't a relevant parameter here, plenty of other cities have fare integration between systems in different tiers.
The Disney World and Las Vegas monorails are both bigger systems with multiple stations, and are both the biggest game in town for rail transit in their respective cities.
For reference, current (albeit still draft and subject to change) tiering guidance:
Tier 1: intercity rail systems (e.g. Amtrak, Shinkansen)
Tier 2: commuter rail systems and tourist/heritage railroads
Tier 3: high-tier transit systems (e.g. subway/metro)
Tier 4: mid-tier transit systems (e.g. light rail/tram)
Tier 5: low-tier transit systems (e.g. streetcars, people movers)
With a monorail the question here is is it functionally a metro system in its own right (tier 3) or is it a people mover (tier 5). Seattle's is the latter.
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Okay, I guess that makes sense that if it only has two stops, then the Seattle Center Monorail just a people mover and I suppose I can live with it being tier 5. Anyway, I will hopefully start working on creating the systems for Seattle and Vancouver within the next month or so.
Also, I forgot to mention that Tacoma has its own streetcar line, known as the T Line. Wikipedia calls it light rail but it uses the same streetcar vehicles that are used on both the Seattle and Portland Streetcar, and OSM tags the line as a streetcar, so this would be tier 5.
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Utah actual railroads just drafted:
Tier 2: UTA FrontRunner (usautax)
Tier 4: UTA TRAX (usautat)
Tier 5: UTA S-Line (usautas)
https://www.rideuta.com/-/media/Files/Rider-Tools/Schedules-and-Maps/Route-703/703schedule_Aug2023.ashx (https://www.rideuta.com/-/media/Files/Rider-Tools/Schedules-and-Maps/Route-703/703schedule_Aug2023.ashx)
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Drafted the RTD railroads today (also found their reporting marks!)
Tier 2: RTD Commuter Rail (usartdx)
Tier 4: RTD Light Rail (usartdz)
Also have the KC streetcar up.
Tier 4: RideKC Streetcar (usakcsc)
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For something like RTD, it would make sense to me to have the word "Denver" spelled out somewhere in the system name. I am sure there are many other cases. Or maybe people who will want to use TM Railways will all know all of the initialisms.
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Yeah, we already have "Cleveland RTA Light Rail", it would make sense to have "Denver RTD Light Rail"
The question is, where is the cutoff where the agency name is deemed broadly recognizable enough that specifying the city isn't necessary?
One thought I do have on that: I don't like the idea of stacking a city name with an acronym that also contains it. So I would not want to change "DART Light Rail" to "Dallas DART Light Rail" because this has the "put in your PIN Number at the ATM Machine" problem.
I would also avoid it when the acronym contains a geographic identifier which is not the city name, like "Massachusetts Bay" or "South Eastern Pennsylvania", though this is less bothersome since it's less wholly redundant.
Certainly when you have a generic agency name like "Regional Transportation District" (no, the D in RTD does not stand for Denver - that fooled me when I first encountered the name too) it helps.
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Something I've been thinking about as I'm about to get started with NorCal: should I combine the 3 Bay Area commuter rail systems (ACE, Caltrain, SMART) into a single system? Each consists of exactly one line, and while Caltrain has multiple "services", these are simply zone expresses similar to what the Metro NY commuter rail syatems do on their lines.
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Yeah, we already have "Cleveland RTA Light Rail", it would make sense to have "Denver RTD Light Rail"
The question is, where is the cutoff where the agency name is deemed broadly recognizable enough that specifying the city isn't necessary?
One thought I do have on that: I don't like the idea of stacking a city name with an acronym that also contains it. So I would not want to change "DART Light Rail" to "Dallas DART Light Rail" because this has the "put in your PIN Number at the ATM Machine" problem.
I would also avoid it when the acronym contains a geographic identifier which is not the city name, like "Massachusetts Bay" or "South Eastern Pennsylvania", though this is less bothersome since it's less wholly redundant.
Certainly when you have a generic agency name like "Regional Transportation District" (no, the D in RTD does not stand for Denver - that fooled me when I first encountered the name too) it helps.
I honestly thought it stood for Denver too, I'll make that update.
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Also sorry about the resulting emails, I already had a pull request open and wanted to get to it before I forgot (also don't want to revise my thesis but that has to get done too :pan:)
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For something like RTD, it would make sense to me to have the word "Denver" spelled out somewhere in the system name.
Seconded! I think it's even more important for the routes so that https://tmrail.teresco.org/hb/findroute.php can be used. Entering "Denver" in the "Route Name" field is outputting 10 routes now.
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I've drafted some Florida systems
- usablfx - Brightline
- usacfr - SunRail
- usatrcx - Tri-Rail
- usawdw - Walt Disney World Monorail
- usahart - TECO Line Streetcar, Tampa
- usajta - Jacksonville Skyway
and some Toronto area systems
- cango - GO Transit
- canion - ION Light Rail
- canair - Canada Landside Airport Rail Systems
- cantsc - Toronto Streetcars/li]
Toronto Pearson Airport's people mover could be put in with the US ones, else it's on its lonesome.
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and some Toronto area systems
- cango - GO Transit
- canion - ION Light Rail
- canair - Canada Landside Airport Rail Systems
- cantsc - Toronto Streetcars/li]
Toronto Pearson Airport's people mover could be put in with the US ones, else it's on its lonesome.
Change the system to "naair - North America Landside Airport Rail Systems" or something like that? I'd be okay with that.
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"SEPTA Trollies" should be "SEPTA Trolleys".
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"SEPTA Trollies" should be "SEPTA Trolleys".
https://github.com/TravelMapping/RailwayData/pull/120
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Would there be any objection to me creating systems such as St. Louis Metrolink and MATA Trolley?
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Would there be any objection to me creating systems such as St. Louis Metrolink and MATA Trolley?
They're yours.
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The remaining commuter rail systems are now mapped, which I realize includes neither of those I named as examples :) Next is light(er) rail.
Quick US-Canada link: https://tmrail.teresco.org/user/mapview.php?rg=AL,AK,AZ,AR,CA,CO,CT,DE,FL,GA,HI,ID,IL,IN,IA,KS,KY,LA,ME,MD,MA,MI,MN,MS,MO,MT,NE,NV,NH,NJ,NM,NY,NC,ND,OH,OK,OR,PA,RI,SC,SD,TN,TX,UT,VT,VA,WA,WV,WI,WY,DC,PR,ON,QC,NS,NB,MB,BC,PE,SK,AB,NL
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as long as you have legitimate business in the building complex.
This right here is an access restriction. And not a trivial one either - I couldn't begin to think of what "legitimate business" I might ever have there. So I'm voting hard no.
I'm not disagreeing with you, but what about NC 172 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=nc.nc172), GA 119 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=ga.ga119), and GA 144 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=ga.ga144)? The former at least is only open if you're military or adjacent (https://www.reddit.com/r/NorthCarolina/comments/18sdfvh/is_nc172_through_camp_lejeune_open_to_the_public/).
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How are we handling heritage streetcar lines that are integrated into a light rail system? usamuni currently includes the F (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F_Market_%26_Wharves), but usamts does not include the Silver Line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Line_(San_Diego_Trolley)).
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The remaining commuter rail systems are now mapped, which I realize includes neither of those I named as examples :) Next is light(er) rail.
Quick US-Canada link: https://tmrail.teresco.org/user/mapview.php?rg=AL,AK,AZ,AR,CA,CO,CT,DE,FL,GA,HI,ID,IL,IN,IA,KS,KY,LA,ME,MD,MA,MI,MN,MS,MO,MT,NE,NV,NH,NJ,NM,NY,NC,ND,OH,OK,OR,PA,RI,SC,SD,TN,TX,UT,VT,VA,WA,WV,WI,WY,DC,PR,ON,QC,NS,NB,MB,BC,PE,SK,AB,NL
Nice work! On some of those system names (namely the acronym ones) that aren't very clear what city they're in, would it be worthwhile to add the city name in front of the acronym (e.g. Atlanta MARTA Rail)? I know I did that when I added Denver (because RTD isn't very descriptive).
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How are we handling heritage streetcar lines that are integrated into a light rail system? usamuni currently includes the F (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F_Market_%26_Wharves), but usamts does not include the Silver Line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Line_(San_Diego_Trolley)).
Oh man and that thing even uses the same tracks as the other MTS lines.
It should be included in usamts, this was an oversight. Though as it is 100% concurrent with other lines, costs no one any mileage in its absence.
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Most US light rail/streetcar systems are now mapped (as well as Hawaii and Puerto Rico's heavy rail). The only ones I skipped were Portland and Seattle, since they have people listed. I just submitted a quick fix (https://github.com/TravelMapping/RailwayData/pull/136) because most of them should have been tier 5, not tier 4. MO LoopTro should probably be a different system, but I'll take care of that later.
I claim no ownership of these systems. Anyone can edit them, rearrange them, rename them, etc. I merely wanted them added so I and others could add travels on them.
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So the White Pass and Yukon Route (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Pass_and_Yukon_Route) is in the US and Canada. What should the system abbreviation be?
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Canada is now more fleshed out: https://tmrail.teresco.org/user/mapview.php?units=miles&u=neroute2&rg=ON,QC,NS,NB,MB,BC,PE,SK,AB,NL,NT,YT,NU
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So the White Pass and Yukon Route (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/White_Pass_and_Yukon_Route) is in the US and Canada. What should the system abbreviation be?
nawpy
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Most US light rail/streetcar systems are now mapped (as well as Hawaii and Puerto Rico's heavy rail). The only ones I skipped were Portland and Seattle, since they have people listed. I just submitted a quick fix (https://github.com/TravelMapping/RailwayData/pull/136) because most of them should have been tier 5, not tier 4. MO LoopTro should probably be a different system, but I'll take care of that later.
I claim no ownership of these systems. Anyone can edit them, rearrange them, rename them, etc. I merely wanted them added so I and others could add travels on them.
I ended up doing the Pacific Northwest too, but I emphasize that if anyone wants to take over and redo them, that's fine with me. So that should be all the metro and light rail in the US and Canada.
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I split eBART in Contra Costa County, California into its own tier 4 system. Previously, that was lumped in with BART, as BART considers both to be the same service. I have a couple of other minor things to change in the Bay Area over the next few days, notably the NMP issue along Market Street.
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Reminder to myself to do the Tacoma light rail.
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Reminder to myself to do the Tacoma light rail.
The Tacoma streetcar? Looks to me like a tier 5 thing.
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Reminder to myself to do the Tacoma light rail.
The Tacoma streetcar? Looks to me like a tier 5 thing.
It's the T Line in the same system as Seattle's 1 and 2 Lines.
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I added the California Western Railroad/ Skunk Train, Cass Scenic Railroad, and Durbin and Greenbrier Valley Railroad today; should show up in the next update. All of these are relatively popular tourist railroads, and I may want that Cass mileage for myself. :P
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Portland Streetcar and TriMet MAX should be split on the one-way couplets through/around downtown because the A and B Loop lines are separate lines... which means an eastbound and a westbound file for the Blue and Red Lines (which will need to be extended out to Hillsboro Airport at the end of the month), and a north and south file for the Yellow, Green, and Orange lines. If A and B weren't separate lines, I think the current setup would work, but as it is, station pairs are offset from each other along Morrison/Yamhill and 5th/6th.
Likewise, the 10th/11th Ave couplets should be split, which will affect the N/S Streetcar Line.
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Portland Streetcar and TriMet MAX should be split on the one-way couplets through/around downtown because the A and B Loop lines are separate lines... which means an eastbound and a westbound file for the Blue and Red Lines (which will need to be extended out to Hillsboro Airport at the end of the month), and a north and south file for the Yellow, Green, and Orange lines. If A and B weren't separate lines, I think the current setup would work, but as it is, station pairs are offset from each other along Morrison/Yamhill and 5th/6th.
Likewise, the 10th/11th Ave couplets should be split, which will affect the N/S Streetcar Line.
Previous related discussion beginning here: https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=5761.msg32366#msg32366
My opposition to separately mapping the A and B loops at all is previously registered... honestly though, I don't necessarily hate the way it is right now with them both run down the middle of the one-way couplets.
The crucial thing here is someone who rides around the loop in one direction should get credit for both, because that is how every other one-way pair on the site is handled with both trains and roads.
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How are we handling heritage streetcar lines that are integrated into a light rail system? usamuni currently includes the F (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F_Market_%26_Wharves), but usamts does not include the Silver Line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Line_(San_Diego_Trolley)).
Oh man and that thing even uses the same tracks as the other MTS lines.
It should be included in usamts, this was an oversight. Though as it is 100% concurrent with other lines, costs no one any mileage in its absence.
Bump
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How are we handling heritage streetcar lines that are integrated into a light rail system? usamuni currently includes the F (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/F_Market_%26_Wharves), but usamts does not include the Silver Line (https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Silver_Line_(San_Diego_Trolley)).
Oh man and that thing even uses the same tracks as the other MTS lines.
It should be included in usamts, this was an oversight. Though as it is 100% concurrent with other lines, costs no one any mileage in its absence.
Bump
https://github.com/TravelMapping/RailwayData/pull/224
Added the new Copper Line too. Not any new trackage, replaces what used to be the end of the Green and Orange Lines, but it is a service pattern change that happened just over a month ago.