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Highway Data Discussion => In-progress Highway Systems & Work => Completed Highway Systems Threads => Topic started by: si404 on May 17, 2024, 05:11:31 am
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The new Serbia Motoputevi system is ready for review
https://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?sys=srbm
This system was created this year, along with a small overhaul to other roads: https://www.paragraf.rs/propisi/uredba-kategorizaciji-drzavnih-puteva.html
In addition, as part of creating this system/starting work on the tier 5 system, I've overhauled the previously-existing A, B, and E routes. I've kept these reworks separate so they can be checked/reviewed before going live at some point soon (when the srbm system is reviewed? when I've created the srbr system?) as there was a lot of reworking and I'm bound to have missed something. Please have a look and comment.
https://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?sys=srba2
https://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?sys=srbe
https://travelmapping.net/hb/index.php?sys=srbb2
previous systems in mapview (https://travelmapping.net/user/mapview.php?rg=SRB&sys=srba,eure,srbb)
new systems in mapview (https://travelmapping.net/user/mapview.php?rg=SRB&sys=srba2,srbb2,srbe,srbm)
changelog (that will become updates when launched (https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/blob/master/hwy_data/SRB/changelog.txt)
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at some point soon (when the srbm system is reviewed? when I've created the srbr system?
I could review the changes + srbm but not "soon". I'd also prefer having srbr in place first to review everything at once.
However, I'd be happy if anyone else would review the changes + new system(s).
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It seems that srbr (https://travelmapping.net/hb/?sys=srbr) is in preview now :)
@si404 please let me know when you will have had a look at the new system, and "Serbia" will be ready for the review. I think that I might start the review before my 18-days-travel starting later this month. Only completing the on-going DEU-RP + DEU-HE deub revision is more important to me since I might go there in July and want to take the chance to clinch changed or missing routes.
Again, I'm happy if anyone else beats me looking into srba2, srbe and srbb2....
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It seems that srbr (https://travelmapping.net/hb/?sys=srbr) is in preview now :)
Only the 100s and 200s (class A) - the 300s and 400s will be coming shortly and that's when it's ready for review.
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It seems that srbr (https://travelmapping.net/hb/?sys=srbr) is in preview now :)
Only the 100s and 200s (class A) - the 300s and 400s will be coming shortly and that's when it's ready for review.
Ah, I guess that the system is in preview by accident? Should be devel?
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It seems that srbr (https://travelmapping.net/hb/?sys=srbr) is in preview now :)
Only the 100s and 200s (class A) - the 300s and 400s will be coming shortly and that's when it's ready for review.
Ah, I guess that the system is in preview by accident? Should be devel?
No, it was deliberate - I wanted to see what the class A network looked like. By 'shortly', I've got over half the B routes drafted now, so should finish today!
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My latest post in this thread was deleted due to the forum crash back in May. I wrote that I couldn't start the review before my travel and will start the review in early July.
Well, I could even start one day earlier :D
First, update link including tier 5 systems: new systems in mapview (https://travelmapping.net/user/mapview.php?u=michih&sys=srba2,srbb2,srbe,srbm,srbr,srbrb).
Concurrencies look good except of E761x which is not concurrent to E763x, B23x and B28x south of Užice.
srbrb's color is 'TMgrey' but it's kinda red. It's a typo since we go with American English (https://github.com/TravelMapping/Web/blob/master/lib/tmjsfuncs.js#L121).
R230 is missing. It branches off B39 in Tulare: https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=srb.b039x&lat=42.794417&lon=21.460682&zoom=17 (indicated as B39 on GM though, no GSV available)
R386 is missing. It branches off R160 at the monastery: https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=srb.r160&lat=43.973793&lon=21.508226&zoom=16
R445 is missing, branching off R41x: https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=srb.b041x&lat=42.458199&lon=21.760118&zoom=15
More R400s are missing. I'm not sure if all are in Kovoso. Have you check them in detail? (I've only checked the missing R200s so far)
R401 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=srb.r401) is indicated on OSM but is not on the official list (https://www.paragraf.rs/propisi/uredba-kategorizaciji-drzavnih-puteva.html). No GSV. Removing?
R475 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=srb.r475) is also indicated on OSM but not on the list. It was part of A2 before, i.e. is an important route with two TM travelers. Remove or keep?
I wonder if R401 and R475 were on the list when you've drafted the system. Was the list updated meanwhile?
General question: You know that I wanna have points at junctions with secondary highways, i.e. yellow on OSM default. Do you agree with this approach? If so, I'd report missing wps.
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Concurrencies look good except of E761x which is not concurrent to E763x, B23x and B28x south of Užice.
srbrb's color is 'TMgrey' but it's kinda red. It's a typo since we go with American English (https://github.com/TravelMapping/Web/blob/master/lib/tmjsfuncs.js#L121).
FixedR230 is missing. It branches off B39 in Tulare: https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=srb.b039x&lat=42.794417&lon=21.460682&zoom=17 (indicated as B39 on GM though, no GSV available)
R386 is missing. It branches off R160 at the monastery: https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=srb.r160&lat=43.973793&lon=21.508226&zoom=16
R445 is missing, branching off R41x: https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=srb.b041x&lat=42.458199&lon=21.760118&zoom=15
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More R400s are missing. I'm not sure if all are in Kovoso. Have you check them in detail? (I've only checked the missing R200s so far)
I presumed they were (ditto the three above), as I couldn't find them when drafting the other routes.
R401 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=srb.r401) is indicated on OSM but is not on the official list (https://www.paragraf.rs/propisi/uredba-kategorizaciji-drzavnih-puteva.html). No GSV. Removing?
I'll have a think.
R475 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=srb.r475) is also indicated on OSM but not on the list. It was part of A2 before, i.e. is an important route with two TM travelers. Remove or keep?
I wonder if R401 and R475 were on the list when you've drafted the system. Was the list updated meanwhile?
R475 was definitely on the list - and still is. It gets its own article, rather than forming part of the main list.
Article 8
The public road Novi Beograd (Vojvođanska street) - interchange Surčin jug is temporarily categorized as state road IIB order number 475.
Though Article 10 says that article 8 lapses on April 1st 2025
Do you agree with this approach? If so, I'd report missing wps.
I don't agree that, because someone has make it secondary on OSM that it's inherently important IRL, but do report if I've missed one.
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Do you agree with this approach? If so, I'd report missing wps.
I don't agree that, because someone has make it secondary on OSM that it's inherently important IRL, but do report if I've missed one.
Sorry, I don't get it. You don't agree with my approach but I should report them nonetheless?
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R475 was definitely on the list - and still is. It gets its own article, rather than forming part of the main list.
Article 8
The public road Novi Beograd (Vojvođanska street) - interchange Surčin jug is temporarily categorized as state road IIB order number 475.
Though Article 10 says that article 8 lapses on April 1st 2025
I wonder what will happen to it..... It was A2 before. Will it be transferred to local administration in 2025?
Edit: I had to ask :D https://www.skyscrapercity.com/posts/189083680/
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Please indicate the source under https://travelmapping.net/credits.php#srb
srba2: All fine.
srbm:
M2 A1/A8 -> A3/A8
OSM indicates M6 on concurrency with B10/B13 but I don't think it's Right. First, the pdf indicates "connection with state roads I B 10 and II A 130". German OSM Shows a planned northern bypass of Pančevo which intersects B10 and R130. In addition, I think that this map (https://www.skyscrapercity.com/posts/187824592/) is more reliable than OSM. Keep as-is.
M9 Move +X704282 to http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.339412&lon=20.084016 so that it can be better distinguished from B27 on mapview
M11
A1_N -> A1/A3
A1_S -> A1_Pot
2015 GSV indicates other exit numbers, partially none. But it's nine years old. I've checked the OSM history of some numbers, most where changed two years ago. If that's right, we are usually off by 1, and miss exit 12.
Our exit 15 was changed to 28 in October 2022 but changed again to 28 just 3 months ago.
Please apply the changes to E70x.
srbe:
E65x is missing in csv files, but only 3 shaping points have been adjusted. I hope that the concurrencies are not broken.
E70x fine
E75x 8 -> 8(A1)
E80Ribx is missing in csv files, it's concurrent to E65x, also just the three shaping points adjusted...
E80x fine
E662x fine
E761x
B21_E/W -> B21_S/N ?
Duplicate label B23_W, I think that the westernmost one should be B23_S
Should it be extended at east end to E771x?
E763x fine
E771x R165_N -> R165_Rgo
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B10x
Is indicated to begin in Pančevo. Is OSM not so wrong on M6, see above? I don't think so. Keep as-is.
B11x Fine
B12x
R112_W -> R112_Bat ?
R112_E -> R112_Zab ?
Remove or rename R113 wp, or replace by wp at next Junction to the east
B13x
B15_N -> _E or B15_W -> _S
B14x Fine
B15x Fine
B16x Fine
B17x Fine
B18x Fine
B19x
R122 -> R122/R314 ?
B19Nes Fine
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B19x
R122 -> R122/R314 ?
Different classes, so I'd rather not.
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Don't Forget adding the E761 update entry
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B20 fine
B21
B27 -> B27_W (also indicated in your changelog)
B23_N / _S -> B23_E / _W ? (also indicated in your changelog)
Add wp for future A10 just south of B23_S ?
B22
Add wp for future A5 just north of VojSte_N ? If so, for B23 too
B23
Add wps for connectors to future A5? If so, for E761x too
GSJ missing west of B24, for E761x too
R179_W / _E -> R179_N / _S
B21_W / _E -> B21_N / _S ?
B28_N / _S -> B28_E / _E ?
Please move SRB/MNE to the border (E763x too, and wps in MNE)
B24
Gol is off
B24 rerouted from Kragujevac streets and onto bypass between R183 and DraPan
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B24 rerouted from Kragujevac streets and onto bypass between R183 and KneMih
B26
B26 - no change -> you've relocated it just west of A2 (found it by chance, didn't check all routes!)
R136_E -> R136_Sok
R136_W -> R136_Zmi
B27
Rename R363 since there is no R363
B25_W / _E -> B25_N / _S
B28
R170_RogN -> R170_N
R170_RogS -> R170_S
R174_N -> R174_Kos
R173_E -> R173_Vol
R174_S -> KraPetI or UliKraPetI
R173_W -> R173_Rad
B29
Remove or rename R202
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B30 Fine
B31
Please move SRB/RKS to the border (RKS route too)
B32
Please move SRB/RKS to the border (E65x, E80xRib and RKS routes too)
B33 Fine
B34 Fine
B35
ROU/SRB is off (E771x and ROU routes too, I'm sure that panda80 is OK with it)
R167_N -> R167_Kla (E771x too)
R167_S -> R167_Mil (E771x too)
R165_N -> R165_Rgo (E771x too)
R415_E -> R415_Pro (E80x too)
B36
R394_N -> R394_GaB ?
R394_S -> R394_Gam ?
Add wp in Zaječar center: LjuNes http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.899469&lon=22.283261
Apply all changes to E761x too
B37 Fine
B38
B38 - no change -> you've truncated the route at north end
B39 Fine
B40
R441_W -> R441_Vla
R441_E -> R441_Sur
Please move SRB/BGR to the border (BGR route too)
B41
SRB/RKS is off, please update RKS route too
B42
Extend to R258 incl. update entry
veza sa državnim putem 258 - Preševo - Gnjilane - Priština
B46 Fine
B47
Add Nem or UliNem http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.805744&lon=20.460261
Please apply to E70x too
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Please clean up the systems next (srba, srbb, eure), and activate srbm. I'll continue with the tier 5 system reviews afterwards.
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There are more reviews out there waiting to be processed....
I'll get to them this summer (and review a few systems too).
I think I'll wait with the tier 5 review so that you have a chance to process old reviews and give a peer-review by yourself :)
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Summer is over now. Should I wait longer?
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R100:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.101983&lon=19.763718 heading to A1's exit 3, road parallel to the motorway = possible detour
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.977846&lon=20.165631 heading to A3's exit 7
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.956842&lon=20.200768 heading to A1's exit 20
Not sure about south end. I guess you've gone with GM? The official list indicates "Beograd" but OSM only indicates up to R319. But hey, there was a "100 sign" back in 2015 (https://maps.app.goo.gl/iFkiR2FDJX73i92d8). Keep as-is.
R105:
SRB/ROU is far into Romania. Please also update ROU DN59F.
R108:
At wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.249664&lon=19.396727 for B12's UliKraPet_W
I've synced the border wp: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/8038
R109:
OSM indicates its west end at R105. However, the official 2024 list indicates it ending at R100. 2014 GSV shows R109 being R103 here but also R100 being R102. 2022 mapillary indicates R100 and R102 (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?menu=true&lat=45.800317199999995&lng=19.660356100000968&z=16.092678689571994&mapStyle=OpenStreetMap&pKey=624946292354624&focus=photo) or R101 and R102 (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?menu=true&lat=45.80028071020382&lng=19.659648033826443&z=18.002058557365086&mapStyle=OpenStreetMap&pKey=468601731579532&focus=photo). Damn... It looks like you've gone with GM. Well, keep as-is.
R112:
Exceeds limits west of R114
B12_W -> B12_Bat ?
B12_E -> B12_Zab ?
R113:
Replace StePut by wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.345823&lon=19.731483 heading to a corresponding wp at R100
R118:
R118 -> R104
R119:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.213827&lon=19.611744 for the ferry
R120:
Exceeds limits west of R315
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.994616&lon=19.815913 heading to a GSJ u/c
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.665887&lon=20.163823 heading to B26's UliKraPetI
R121:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.081930&lon=19.221831 because it's the first "relevant junction" after the first motorway exit
Maybe add a wp http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=45.158082&lon=19.318305 because it's the last "relevant junction" in front of the border
R122:
Move HRV/SRB to the actual border
R134:
OSM and GM have a different end point @ B14
R135:
Add wp for M3 opening Dec 30
R136:
Not sure about east end. You've gone with OSM this time. GM indicates a route through Majur though. The official list indicates "Majur-Bogatić-Petlovača". 2024 mapillary (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?menu=true&lat=44.766952315060024&lng=19.671337553140006&z=17.094737246937086&mapStyle=OpenStreetMap&pKey=1221560922221117&focus=photo&x=0.5172758916775252&y=0.47088728728904045&zoom=2.157099697885196) does not show the number on R124 but 2020 mapillary (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?menu=true&lat=44.773738914356&lng=19.620378065093&z=17.644261674643673&mapStyle=OpenStreetMap&pKey=1131729837387910&focus=photo) shows a 136 sign where we have its end now. Keep as-is?
B26_W -> B26_Pet ?
B26_E -> B26_Sok ?
Add wp for M3 opening Dec 30
R139:
B257 -> R257
R141:
Exceeds limits south of R143
R337_N -> R337_Ose ?
R337_S -> R337_Pec ?
R147:
Exceeds limits east of R160
R149:
Exceeds limits north of R344
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.706780&lon=20.508749 for Beli Potok - also heading to A1's exit 29
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R155:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.525051&lon=20.741576 for Dubona
R156:
Exceeds limits south of BraRadPut
R158:
R27_E -> B27_E
R215_N -> R215_Poj ?
R215_S -> R215_Del ?
A4(1) -> 1(A4) ?
A1(48) -> 48(1) ?
A1(49) -> 49(1) ?
Please remove ToR418 since this (https://maps.app.goo.gl/SfoYJvAEnJju8sZp9) is not a regular junction; still unpaved according to OSM
Please also remove R418's ToR158 wp
R159:
R34 -> B34
R162:
R33_W -> B33_W
R33_E -> B33_E
R164:
R33_W -> B33_W
R33_E -> B33_E
R165:
R34 -> B34
R33_W -> B33_W
R33_E -> B33_E
R35_W -> B35_W -> B35_Vra ?
R35_N -> B35_N
R35_S -> B35_S
R36 -> B36
R167:
B35_N -> B35_Kla ?
B35_S -> B35_Mil ?
R168:
SRB/ROU is far into Romania. Please also update ROU DN56B.
R173:
B28_W -> B28_Rad ?
B28_E -> B28_Vol ?
R174:
R339_N -> R339_Jak ?
R339_S -> R339_Uzi ?
R175:
R21 -> B21
R185:
Exceeds limits south of R160
R187:
Exceeds limits west of R189
Add wp for exit 5 of the recently opened A5
R188:
Add wp for exit 6 of the recently opened A5
R189:
I think that our current routing is incorrect. We should rather go with GM than with OSM. No GSV, no mapillary data available. The official list indicates "veza sa državnim putem 158 - Bresje - Loćika - Belušić - Oparić - Velika Drenova - Stopanja". Only the other route goes through Loćika. That's also where R381 should start albeit their description does not help: "veza sa državnim putem 183 - Tečić - Vukmanovac - Loćika".
R191:
Add wp for Priboj since it's the last town in front of the border, e.g. @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.584016&lon=19.521933
R192:
Split the route at the Bosnian border just south of R194
SRB/MNE is far into Montenegro. Please also sync MNE R4's wp.
R193:
Add wp for Sjeverin
Sync border point with BIH M507
R194:
Slightly exceeding the limits east of B23
R195:
Misses the R196 wp
R196:
Add a visilbe wp between R195 and B21 ?
R197:
Please extend the route up to the Montenegrian border (indicated on OSM) since the offical list indicate its end at "državna granica sa Crnom Gorom"
Exceeds limits south of B29
Slightly exceeding limits just north of R198
R198:
Exceeds limits east of +X228543
R199:
Convert +X399061 into a visible wp at the next junction to the north
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R200:
The list indicates: "Prijepolje - Manastir Mileševa - Aljinovići" That means, the route extends to B29. OSM does not indicate what path is used. GM indicates the former M8. The end point would be @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.328936&lon=19.879262 There is no GSV and 2021 mapillary (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=43.3288683100607&lng=19.878833774328427&z=17.04980777831056&mapStyle=OpenStreetMap&pKey=998912557606988&focus=photo) shows a yellow sign w/o numbering. I suggest to extend the route.
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.391109&lon=19.653747 for Prijepolje town center
R201:
Replace +X791153 by a visible wp for Bare
Maybe one or two more visible wps ?
R205:
SRB/MNE seems to be at the border crossing but not at the border. Please move and sync MNE R6
R206:
Exceeds the limits
Please extend to the actual border according to OSM
R207:
Add visible wp for Aleksandrovac
R211:
Add a visible wp for Kopaonik
R212/R213:
"212: Brzeće-Blaževo-Merćez-Kuršumlija" + "213: Blaževo-Leposavić" -> OSM + GM are likely wrong. Truncate R213 and extend R212 to B35 albeit 2024 mapillary (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=43.14387313204699&lng=21.297136447057028&z=19.201289670607327&mapStyle=OpenStreetMap&pKey=1915034655672567&focus=photo&x=0.776499057039352&y=0.43495515230577775&zoom=1.5407854984894258) does not show any numbering for that road at B35. I've reported to OSM (https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4568791).
Extend R213 to the Kosovar border
R213's R414_W -> R414
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.138929&lon=21.280255 heading to B35's KosIva
R215:
"Kruševac-Đunis-Deligrad" but OSM indicates it starting at Pojate taking over the former B23. I think that's fine.
Add a visible wp for Stalac
R158_N -> R158_Poj ?
R158_S -> R158_Del ?
R216:
"veza sa državnim putem 215 - Kaonik-Ribare-Vukanja-Prokuplje-Žitorađa-Doljevac - veza sa državnim putem A1" please truncate from R158 and reextend to A1 to match the description and to match OSM + GM
R158's wp label can remain as-is since there is no intersecting road
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.192021&lon=21.833519 for Doljevac
R217:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.542296&lon=21.707815 heading to A1's exit 46
R218:
Delete superfluous +X763004 + +X202557
R219:
Exceeds limits north of R423
R220:
"Minićevo - Novo Korito - državna granica sa Bugarskom (granični prelaz Novo Korito)" pleaes extend to the Bulgarian border
R221:
Check routing at south end in Dimitrovgrad. OSM and GM do both have different routings. I think that OSM has the most logical option. Another logical option would be from the roundabout in the east towards R259. If we are not sure, we should end the route at the roundabout.
Add a visible wp between Pirot and DonKri
R223:
Replace +X263820 by a visible wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.988820&lon=22.479197 for Strelac
R259_W -> R259_Bel ?
R259_E -> R259_Suk ?
R225:
Exceeds the limits north of B39
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.126183&lon=21.841094 for R158's KnezMih_N
R226:
Exceeds limits south of ParPut_W
Add a wp in the west of Leskovac or in Gornje Stopanje
R227:
Add visible wp @ the beginning of the unpaved section near Lake Barje
Add visible wp @ the end of the unpaved section
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.511562&lon=21.920568 for Zlatokop
R228:
Add wp for Prolom
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.993968&lon=21.470879 ie near the paved road
R230:
Extend route to the Kosovar border (check Esri WorldImagery) ?
R231:
Add a visible wp @ Lake Vlasina's north end
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.556617&lon=22.369355 for Gornja Lisina
R39 -> B39
R438 -> R439
R233:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.329743&lon=21.893842 for Jablanica
R243:
"Jošanica-Kijevo-Mališevo-Dulje" does not meet our routing but a route in Kosovo. Only indicated on OSM (since 2016). Not indicated on GM. No GSV, no mapillary. Please remove route. Also reported to OSM (https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4568861).
R244-R256:
Seem to be in Kosovo. Fine.
R257:
Exceeds limits west of R139
R258:
Relocate +X468994 to the south so that it's possible to distinguish R258 and R158 on mapview, maybe adjust R158's shaping point location too.
Exceeds limits south of A1(56)
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.369309&lon=21.730276 for Rajince, heading to B41's UliUra
Add shaping point to A1 south of exit 57 so that lines do less overlap on mapview
Add wp for Cukarka / Mamince as last logical travel end point in front of the border
Does not meet MKD R1104 (https://travelmapping.net/hb/showroute.php?r=mkd.r01104)'s end point. Satellite view shows a well done road on the Serbian side heading further south than we have in HB. I've just moved the MKD border point to where it should be.
R259:
Relocate A4's shaping point between exit 6 and 7 so that the lines do less overlap on mapview
R223_W -> R223_Bel ?
R223_E -> R223_Suk ?
Once this will be processed, I'll review the srbrb routes.
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https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/8050/files
(there's the R1104/R258 border point that I've just fixed. I misunderstood your "Does not meet MKD R1104's end point." as describing the situation on the ground, rather than the situation in the browser. The points are now synced).
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there's the R1104/R258 border point that I've just fixed.
I guess you've locally fixed it.
I think that srbr system is ready for activation. Data error FPs, unused alt labels, NMP FPs.
And for srbb system, I think we can remove the unused alt route names (https://travelmapping.net/logs/unusedaltroutenames.log) now, can't we?
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R401:
Not on the official list. Indicated on OSM but 248a on GM. No GSV available. July 2024 mapillary (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?mapStyle=OpenStreetMap&lat=44.0908081593324&lng=22.343618431190407&z=19.24339938691478&pKey=817234937175925&focus=photo) does not show any numbering. Reported to OSM (https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4576043). I think we should remove the route from HB.
R300:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.060758&lon=19.748155 heading to the next motorway exit.
I'm not sure about the routing at east end. The log only indicates "Subotica-Velebit - veza sa državnim putem 102" i.e. to R102. You've gone with OSM - via a dirt road according to OSM and 2014 GSV (https://maps.app.goo.gl/gGW25kxA8pem6ssS7) - but GM routes it through Tresnjevac. Their route meets R102 at a junction with yellow signs according to Oct 2024 mapillary (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?mapStyle=OpenStreetMap&lat=45.98919959999998&lng=20.01280600000007&z=17.89588288526989&pKey=902252008498635&focus=photo). I tend to change the routing according to GM.
R302:
"Banatsko Aranđelovo - Rabe" i.e. the route log does not indicate that the route extends to the border. Is it the first time that the log in incorrect about that or should we truncate the route to Rabe? The border crossing was opened in October 2019. I reckon that 302 continues to the border crossing. Keep as-is?
Replace +X620317 by a visible wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=46.094417&lon=20.258709 for Majdan, last junction in front of the border.
R304:
Add wp for Stanisic since the road is a dead end
R307:
"Bašaid - Nova Crnja" but our route does not continue to Basaid. GM has no number at all, you've gone with OSM. I guess R307 should end at B13 north of Basaid but Sep 2024 mapillary (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?mapStyle=OpenStreetMap&lat=45.6717831&lng=20.422005200000058&z=19.9&pKey=507113188901704&focus=photo&x=0.5062489233014785&y=0.505246672702893&zoom=1.5407854984894258) does not show 307 at the junction. I think we should keep it as-is.
R308:
B129 -> R129
R310:
I'm not sure about the routing between Banatski Karlovac and Deliblato. Should we rather go via the gravel road than via the dirt road near +X214759 ?
B129 -> R129
R312:
OSM and GM do both have the same routing at south end but is OSM right about the ferry landing location, or GM? OSM is at the other road. Their ferry landing was only added four year ago, the time table was added five months ago. I think we should
- Add a wp for the road to the "OSM terminal" @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.829605&lon=21.340819
- Remove Fry from R312's end point: StaPalFry -> StaPal
R319:
"Batajnica (veza sa državnim putem 100) - Ugrinovci - Surčin (veza sa državnim putem A1)" indicates that north end is at R100. However, OSM (but not GM) extends it to A1 and mapillary (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?mapStyle=OpenStreetMap&lat=44.942463117979486&lng=20.282499210116157&z=19.02917943499231&pKey=4523013141256559&focus=photo&x=0.7497667548488001&y=0.47431058768570905&zoom=2.157099697885196) actually shows it being signed at A1's exit 21 from 2017 thru 2024. There is no number at R120 on 2024 mapillary (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?mapStyle=OpenStreetMap&lat=44.982339799253054&lng=20.28000183072004&z=18.617263165484253&pKey=402110825804084&focus=photo&x=0.6481385994591333&y=0.5180589045209845&zoom=1.5407854984894258) nor at A1's exit heading northbound. We should truncate R319 from R120 to A1's exit 21 (and rename R120's wp).
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.827684&lon=20.222880 for Dobanovci
R100_N/_S -> R100_W/_E ?
R322:
B124 -> R124
R323:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.600491&lon=19.499681 at the end of the paved section
R21 -> B21
R324:
Add a visible wp between B26 and R323 because it's really a long distance and there are several villages along the road
R323_N/_S -> R323_W/_E ?
R325:
Add a visible wp for Zvezd (dead end road)
R327:
"Družetić (veza sa državnim putem 21) - Joševa - Valjevska Kamenica" but I cannot find a logical route from our end to B21. Keep as-is.
Rename R328 ? see below
R328:
"veza sa državnim putem 21 - Gola Glava - Valjevo" I highly doubt that OSM (and our route) is right beyond Caric. Reported (https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4576129). Should we truncate the route to Caric @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.317070&lon=19.836234 ?
R330:
There is an "End" wp in the middle of the route. Was it intended to be split? OSM would have a continues road starting a little bit north of "End". Either split the route or go via the most logical OSM route including an additional wp for R257.
R336:
"Kruška (veza sa državnim putem 137) - Šljivova" is missing in HB but I also don't know what route it is; not indicated on OSM nor GM. No GSV available. Keep as-is.
R337:
R141_N -> R141_Ose
R141_S -> R141_Pec
R338:
Exceeds limits north of R174
R339:
Not sure about the rouring in Uzice. OSM number indication ends at KraPetI_W. GM extends straight to B28 but we turn towards R174. Had a quick look with mapillary but there are little signs at all in downtown Uzice. I'd rather go with GM.
R174_N -> R174_Jak
R174_S -> R174_Uzi
R340:
R141_S -> R141_Nov
R141:
R340 -> R340_Nov
R344:
Replace +X235160 by a visible wp for Guberevac
R346:
Replace +X410737 by a visible wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.643082&lon=20.453882
Replace +X719107 by a visible wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.666314&lon=20.504023
R347:
Replace +X336923 by a visible wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.663678&lon=20.589994
R349:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.536741&lon=20.543028 for Babe
Replace +X543563 by a visible wp at the next junction heading to R150's KraPetPrv wp
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R350:
Replace +X920202 by a visible wp at the next junction to the south
Truncate route to R351
R351:
Extend route to A1, see route log: "Brestovik-Umčari - veza sa državnim putem A1", confirmed by OSM + GM
R356:
R358 is off
R360:
Adjust the position of +X312127 and +X968640 and A2/E763's +X406799 so that the lines do less overlap on mapview
B22 is off
R361 -> R361_Lju
R361:
Exceeds limits south of B22_S
There's a huge implied concurrency with B22 (9mi), longer than the southern remainder of 7mi. I tend to split the route
R360_N -> R360_Dic
R360_S -> R360_Lju
R362:
B22 is off
R366:
Add shaping point @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.295995&lon=20.527825
End -> Buk
R372:
Replace +X982547 by a visible wp for Klicevac
R376:
Add a visible wp for Rakova Bara
R378:
Add a visible wp for Veliki Popovac
R383:
Add a visible wp for Crkvenac
R385:
Add a visible wp for Jelovac
R387:
Add a visible wp for Bosnjane
R389:
Exceeds limits north of B36
R391:
Exceeds limits north of R392
Replace +X102667 by a visible wp for Podgorac
Add a wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.895581&lon=21.962528 for Bogovina
R392:
"Zlot - Zlotska pećina" i.e. we should extend the route up to the cave -> http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.029335&lon=21.962163
R393:
Replace +X311389 by a visible wp for Brezonik
R394:
Add a visible wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.037450&lon=22.094504 for Brestovac
Add a visible wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.954607&lon=22.141061 for Metovnica
R395:
Add a visible wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.866787&lon=22.193381 for Lubnica
R396:
Exceeds limits east of B34
R398:
Exceeds limits east of R165
Routing in Negotin.... OSM takes the western route (where the old "24" but also Recko are signed on yellow signs according to 2024 mapillary (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=44.23164259989102&lng=22.52782249662698&z=19.615788259188868&mapStyle=OpenStreetMap&pKey=920468436457819&focus=photo)) but GM takes the eastern route (where we only see a white sign without any number according to 2018 mapillary (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=44.225433837325&lng=22.543850071057932&z=19.9&mapStyle=OpenStreetMap&pKey=794303087884692&focus=photo&x=0.6645800511162608&y=0.40765557955286774&zoom=1.2200989541300986)). You've gone with OSM what seems to be best guess. Please add wps @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.224974&lon=22.531189 and http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=44.226581&lon=22.523925 to make the routing clearer.
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R401:
see above
R404:
Add wps in Zlatibor for the dead end road:
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.728065&lon=19.703942 heading to B23's northern wp
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.730445&lon=19.698234 to make the routing clearer
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.725103&lon=19.694962 heading to B23's souterhn wp
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.728852&lon=19.687881 heading to B23's northern wp
- shaping point in the west to avoid exceeding the limits
R405:
Dead end road, please add wps @
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.696370&lon=19.667823 (to avoid hidden wp)
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.682309&lon=19.654031 (ski resort)
R406:
"veza sa državnim putem 195 - Sirogojno - veza sa državnim putem 195", you missed the northern link back to R195 (changed on OSM four days ago)
R407:
"Mijoska - Dumljani - Bijov grob - državna granica sa Crnom Gorom" ie continues to the MNE border. OSM + GM end the road where we currently have it. However, Bijov grob is indicated on OSM: https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/5357121599#map=15/43.21099/19.62791 but there is no continuous path on OSM I'd suggest to add. I've reported (https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4577933) the issue. Maybe a local will look into it and extend the route. For the time being, I'd keep our route as-is.
R408:
Add a wp for Lucani
R409:
Add shaping point @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.433464&lon=20.227869
B197 -> R197
R410:
Add visible wps e.g.
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.689613&lon=20.608973
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.695885&lon=20.648659
- http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.702727&lon=20.658969
R412:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.395331&lon=20.516356 because it's a dead end road
R413:
"veza sa državnim putem 22 - Novopazarska Banja - Izbice - Lopužnja - administrativna linija AP Kosovo i Metohija" i.e. route should extend to the Kosovar border. I guess it's the northern route towards Gnjezdane in Kosovo but am not sure. Reported (https://www.openstreetmap.org/note/4577947). Keep our route as-is for the time being.
End -> Neg
Add wp for Izbice @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.131390&lon=20.563558 replacing the shaping point
R414:
Please extend to the Kosovar border as indicated on OSM (changed four days ago)
R415:
Either add shaping points south of ZarZar to make routing clear, or split the route.
Add wp for Buci north of ZarZar
Replace +X427460 by wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.223770&lon=21.540644 for Cukovac
R417:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.305405&lon=21.690702
R420:
Add a wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.731290&lon=21.631506 for Grabovo replacing +X813041 (and +X632003 ?)
Add a wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.686328&lon=21.799187 for Zuckovac replacing +X648237
R423:
"veza sa državnim putem 219 - Štipina-Debelica-Borovac-Vratarnica" ie the route should extend to the north. I only suggest another wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.692282&lon=22.276089 for the time being.
R424:
B158 -> R158
R426:
B35 -> B35_Mal
B35/E771:
R426 -> R426_Mal
R428:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.216686&lon=22.315984 for R259's wp
R429:
Remove R211
R259 -> R211/R259
R431:
Add one or two visible wps along the route since it's a dead end road
R433:
Exceeds limits
End -> SviPut
Add wp for Sijarinska Banja
R434:
Exceeds limits east of +X951028
Replace +X693124 by a wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.773794&lon=21.758568 for Melovo
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.861551&lon=21.760483 for Popovce
Replace +X408849 by a wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.904160&lon=21.755172 for Sumane
R435:
Replace +X699573 by wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.683871&lon=21.822646 for Dragobuzde
R436:
Exceeds limits south of +X564560
Add a visible wp east of +X461649 for any village
R437:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.003447&lon=21.985096 for Bratmilovce
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=43.065039&lon=22.081538 for Jarsenovo
R438:
Replace +X323811 by wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.930407&lon=22.097256 for Kozare
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.892029&lon=22.072231 for Grdelica
"Vlasotince - Grdelica - veza sa državnim putem A1". To A1. Thus, I wonder about south end... Confirmed (https://www.mapillary.com/app/?lat=42.88762589004429&lng=22.063552700069067&z=19.816701178221123&mapStyle=OpenStreetMap&pKey=501918561002157&focus=photo). Keep as-is.
R441:
B40_W -> B40_Vla
B40_E -> B40_Sur
R442:
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.558929&lon=22.175775 for Kriva Feja + add a shaping point east of it
Replace +X689543 by a wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.501212&lon=22.294328 for Gornja Ljubata
R445:
Not sure about north end. But keep as-is.
Add wp @ http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=42.538279&lon=21.719112 for Breznica
R446-R470:
Seem to be in Kosovo. Fine.
R475:
Please keep in mind (open a thread on the other board after system activation):
Article 8
The public road Novi Beograd (Vojvođanska Street) - Surčin Jug interchange is temporarily categorized as a state road of class IIB, code 475.
Article 10
This regulation shall enter into force on the eighth day from the date of its publication in the "Official Gazette of the Republic of Serbia", and the provision of Article 8 of this regulation shall apply until April 1, 2025.
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Please deal with the R300 issue (see data error, you updated the coords for the wrong wp). Rest is good enough. Ready for activation.
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Activation: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/8108