Prior discussion...On AARoads, mapcat & Duke87
nominated a few New York routes to consider adding to usasf.
I added the Cross County and Saw Mill Parkways, the latter of which needed immediate fixes, along with the pre-existing Henry Hudson Parkway.
From there, discussion moved on to the ideas of splitting New York Parkways off of usasf into their own system.
Si submitted a
pull request to split usanyp out of usasf. It was nixed on the grounds that new routes could be developed in this system in
devel status, with activated routes staying separate, in usasf.
What gets included?Highways listed in Appendix B, pages "57-59" (59-61 if you prefer) of the
2014 Traffic Data Report (TDR). I'm including just the stuff listed, on (for the most part, all of) the corresponding reference routes.
These reference routes are listed in the shapefiles with a "PK909E" style GEORTE attribute (indicative of NYSDOT considering these part of a discrete group/system of Parkways), with the exception of the Garden State Parkway Connector. That's SR982L (note the 3rd digit of '2', instead of the usual 7, 8, or 9 for a parkway).
Of course, no two sources listing NY parkways are exactly the same, which makes things interesting.
( http://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=17061.msg2113084#msg2113084 )There's another list at "page 71" (page 75) of the
NY Touring Route Book, which differs in that it doesn't list the Garden State Parkway Connector, and does list NY431. If I choose the list in the TDR as the definitive list for TM purposes, I feel less pressure to include the redundant NY431 route, and more justified including the Garden State Parkway Connector. (It's got the word Parkway in it. Most users will probably look for it in the Parkways system.)
There's also the question of what to do about parkways that are locally owned and don't have reference route numbers.
No reference # -> not on list -> not included in the system.
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Route-by-route comments...909E - ny.baypkwy - Bay ParkwayThe westernmost bits of "Bay Parkway" aren't part of reference route 909E, and thus not part of the parkway system, and were not included. Note @vdeane's
comment on
#514.
987H - ny.bearmtnpkwy - Bear Mountain ParkwayShould probably be listed as Bear Mountain
State Parkway instead?
987H - ny.bearmtnpkwycro - Bear Mountain Parkway (Crompond)Crompond is a census-designated place, but not an incorporated town or village.
If I choose "Carlton" and "Porter" for the Lake Ontario State Parkway Spur and Robert Moses State Parkway Spur (see below), "Yorktown" may be more appropriate here instead.
907E - ny.betstapkwy - Bethpage State ParkwayNo comments here; straightforward enough.
907F - ny.bropelpkwy - Bronx-Pelham Parkway907F - ny.pelpkwy - Pelham ParkwaySigned, and commonly known, as simply Pelham Parkway? Perhaps this should be changed to PelPkwy / Pelham Parkway.
I'd like
to relabel NY US1 BosRd_S to reference Pelham Parkway, as something included in the HB, instead, but am holding off pending the final name of this route.
907J - ny.crobaypkwy - Cross Bay ParkwayNo comments here; straightforward enough.
908B - ny.jacrobpkwy - Jackie Robinson Parkway"One point per interchange" at the east end.
909C - ny.korwarpkwy - Korean War Veterans ParkwayYes, the south end overlaps NY440 to the Outerbridge Crossing toll booths.
The north end is a bit wibbly-wobbly. Although the reference route follows Drumgoole Rd to end at Richmond Ave, Drumgoole is signed as itself and not as the Parkway on blade signs, and there's an END sign just before the merge with Drumgoole. I chose to end the route at the Drumgoole merge.
948A - ny.lakeontpkwyspr - Lake Ontario State Parkway Spur1.) If you look at the
system CSVs, you'll notice that "Spr" is included in the Route name, but not as a Banner. Perhaps my thinking is a throwback to the CHM era here: I'm taking the banner column literally; the idea is treating it as if it means "
there will be a SPUR banner above this shield", and that the Shield Generator will eventually, in theory, generate something accordingly. So, I just included it in the route name. Then, I went and left out the Abbrev. "Hey, this is just the 'Lake Ontario State Parkway Spur', as NYSDOT calls it. And there's only one of them," my thinking went. If there's loud enough consensus that this is kinda wrong, I can change it round. Or another option that I rather like would be to just leave the "Spr" off completely, and have another segment of vanilla "Lake Ontario State Parkway", with an abbrev and a specifier in the City field, "Lakeside State Park", or "Carlton" or something.
(Kinda like what I did with the cannss system, although that one doesn't have "spurs" as such.)See also: Robert Moses State Parkway Spur
Discuss.
2.)
Mainline LakeOntPkwy is reference route 947A. It should
be truncated to end at this route, with the
NY LakeOntPkwy NY18 PicRd segment being part of this route instead.
987A - ny.lakeweldr - Lake Welch DriveI guess it's officially/internally the Lake Welch Parkway, but it's signed as Lake Welch Drive.
908C - ny.looppkwy - Loop ParkwayNo comments here; straightforward enough.
908F - ny.mospkwy - Mosholu ParkwayInteresting case here. The
SouBlvd BroRivPkwy segment is included in reference route 908F, and signed for Mosholu Parkway from the Bronx River Parkway. The
BroRivPkwy BroParkEast segment isn't shown on the BRP overhead BGSes; it's just included in the reference route.
909D - ny.ocepkwy - Ocean Parkway (Long Island)If preferred, I can leave the "(Long Island)" specifier out of the City field, leaving this as just the "main" bit of Ocean Parkway.
908H - ny.ocepkwybro - Ocean Parkway (Brooklyn)No comments here; straightforward enough.
917A - ny.promtnhwy - Prospect Mountain Veterans Memorial HighwayIt's reference route 917A all the way to the loop at the summit. But the very end is posted
Motorcycles only. As only a limited subgroup of travelers would be able to take the route all the way to the tippy top, I placed the endpoint at the parking lot / overlook.
957A - ny.robmospkwy - Robert Moses State Parkway957A - ny.niascepkwy - Niagara Scenic ParkwayThis was apparently recently renamed
Niagara Scenic Parkway.
So yeah, I better get on renaming this, I guess. Also, waypoint labels on intersecting routes.957A - ny.robmospkwynia - Robert Moses State Parkway (Niagara Falls)957A - ny.niascepkwynia - Niagara Scenic Parkway (Niagara Falls)Same route name issue as above.Would "(South) Niagara Falls" be the better descriptor? Meh...
Ongoing reconstruction makes the north end a bit wibbly-wobbly. Shapefiles, the TDV & TDR have the 957A designation extending to Buffalo Ave. But that data isn't new enough to reflect the reconstruction.
Is the stuff north of the roundabout not part of the parkway, but part of John Daly Boulevard instead? FWIW, OSM seems to think so at least. Shrug.
958A - ny.robmospkwyspr - Robert Moses State Parkway Spur958A - ny.niascepkwyspr - Niagara Scenic Parkway Spur1.) Same "Robert Moses State Parkway" vs
"Niagara Scenic Parkway" issue as above.
2.) Terminus: The data in the shapefiles put the endpoint
here. The TDV agrees. I suppose a nicer-looking tweak would be to
recenter the endpoint at the turnaround before the fee booth, and not make anyone think they have to pay the fee and enter in order to clinch the route.
I thought for like half a second about
1PPI-ing the endpoint back to NY18F, but nay -- someone coming from the mainline parkway would have to proceed past NY18F to some other point anyway. This solution allows travelers to use NY18F and clinch a nonzero, non-100%, amount of the route.
3.) If you look at the
system CSVs, you'll notice that "Spr" is included in the Route name, but not as a Banner. Perhaps my thinking is a throwback to the CHM era here: I'm taking the banner column literally; the idea is treating it as if it means "
there will be a SPUR banner above this shield", and that the Shield Generator will eventually, in theory, generate something accordingly. So, I just included it in the route name. Then, I went and left out the Abbrev. "Hey, this is just the 'Robert Moses State Parkway Spur', as NYSDOT calls it. And there's only one of them," my thinking went. If there's loud enough consensus that this is kinda wrong, I can change it round. Or another option that I rather like would be to just leave the "Spr" off completely, and have different segments of vanilla "Robert Moses State Parkway", with an abbrev and a specifier in the City field, "Fort Niagara State Park", or "Porter" or something.
(Kinda like what I did with the cannss system, although that one doesn't have "spurs" as such.)See also: Lake Ontario State Parkway Spur
Discuss.
987E - ny.sevlakdr - Seven Lakes DriveI guess it's officially/internally the Seven Lakes Parkway, but it's signed as Seven Lakes Drive.
Yes, this is the south endpoint. The shapefiles and TDV agree. The 2014 TDR description looks a little screwy, but saying it ends here is a valid interpretation of the mileage figures.
South of the endpoint, and north of Waldron Terrace, Seven Lakes Drive is not a reference route.
South of Waldron Terrace, Seven Lakes Drive is reference route 981G, and not part of the Parkway system.
The north terminus doesn't have a
corresponding point on US9W/202 yet. Before adding it, I just want to be 100% confident the label should be SevLakDr, and not SevLakPkwy or something.
908L -
ny.shofropkwy - Shore Front Parkway
957B -
ny.soupkwy - South Parkway
957C - ny.westrivpkwy - West River ParkwayNo comments here; straightforward enough.
