CO 110 & CO 57?

[yakra]

Posted by chrislwillers on GitHub Pull Request(https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3767):
"Adding in Highway 110 in Silverton."

System .csv files are unchanged.

Some discussion is there,  including a mention that "there is a .wpt file for CO 57, but in the table on the
highway browser, it is not listed." There's no mention of a deletion on updates.php; it could be that it was drafted when usaco was first under development, and found to be unsigned or something. I have yet to check the usaco thread.

[Jim]

That user just registered for the forum as jayhawkco, so I expect we'll be hearing from him shortly.

[yakra]

Welcome to the forum, jayhawkco. I had no idea you weren't here already -- I guess I've just been used to seeing your name in the stats tables, and the list of .list files, for a long time now. Were you around in the days of the CHM forum?

[jayhawkco]

Hi.  Thanks for the welcome.  Yes, I think I probably did my first clinched highways list maybe 20 years ago.  (Back in the misc.transport.road days).  Now that I have some down time during all of this, I decided to enter more than just my interstates which is all I had cared about until I recently started doing a little county collecting and wanted to see how much of the Colorado State Highway system I had been on.

I happened to find a few highways missing.  (Sorry I didn't go through the normal way of getting things updated.  I was just flipping through GitHub seeing all what was there.)

So, two issues:
There is a .wpt file for CO 57 (short little 0.534 mile highway in Stratton), but it doesn't show up in the table in the highway browser.

Secondly, there is no file for CO 110.  It is another very short (0.186 mi) highway going into Silverton.  The info is as below:

US550 http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.80460&lon=-107.67091
6thSt http://www.openstreetmap.org/?lat=37.80656&lon=-107.66907

I don't know if either are signed.  I've been on both just randomly, but not recently enough to remember.  I'm not sure if the convention is to not have unsigned routes listed, but if I'm not mistaken, the interstates page does have entries for I-444, I-345, etc.  Let me know if anyone has any questions and thanks again for the welcome.

[yakra]

Other changes made -
remove CO57
...

I don't see the rationale for doing so; I presume because it was unsigned. I'll load the file up in wptedit and have a look around GMSV.

[si404]

Reasons for why there's a file for CO57 but it not being in the database - I removed it just before activation (so no update) due to being unsigned, but left the file in in case they sign it in the future.

CO110 wasn't added in the first place because it wasn't signed, and isn't considered part of the state highway network by CDOT.

[si404]

Other changes made -
remove CO57
...

I don't see the rationale for doing so; I presume because it was unsigned. I'll load the file up in wptedit and have a look around GMSV.

Yep, unsigned: "The route is entirely unmarked; there are no signs along its entire length designating the route as State Highway 57." GSV (checked just now) shows ToI-70 signs on US24 and no reference to any numbered route anywhere else referring to the road.

[yakra]

For CO110, I see no signage either. GMSV is blurry; looks like the old lo-res imagery from when they first rolled the service out, but I see what look like CR pentagons from one direction of US550, and a BGS with some big empty green space from the other. (Edit: CR2 per Bing Streetside.)
The CO110 point on US550 should be relabeled.

[jayhawkco]

CO110 wasn't added in the first place because it wasn't signed, and isn't considered part of the state highway network by CDOT.

How are you defining "not considered a part of the state highway network"? 

According to the CODot website, both are there.

https://dtdapps.coloradodot.info/otis/HighwayData#/ui/1/0/criteria/057A/0/0.534

https://dtdapps.coloradodot.info/otis/HighwayData#/ui/1/0/criteria/110A/0/0.14

Chris

[si404]

How are you defining "not considered a part of the state highway network"?

No idea really, just repeating what I got from wikipedia when drafting the system that was repeating what Matthew Salek's hobbyist site says - "While 0.14mi of SH 110 is still shown in CDOT's log of state highways, CDOT no longer considers it a real part of the state highway system.".

That said, as totally unsigned, it doesn't fit the criteria for being added to a US State Route system here anyway.

[jayhawkco]

How are you defining "not considered a part of the state highway network"?

No idea really, just repeating what I got from wikipedia when drafting the system that was repeating what Matthew Salek's hobbyist site says - "While 0.14mi of SH 110 is still shown in CDOT's log of state highways, CDOT no longer considers it a real part of the state highway system.".

That said, as totally unsigned, it doesn't fit the criteria for being added to a US State Route system here anyway.

Is there a reason that unsigned state highways don't fit the criteria but unsigned Interstates do?  Not trying to be argumentative, just genuinely curious.  In my opinion, for the little that it's worth, if a state has it "on their books" and is in charge of maintenance, etc., it's a highway like anything else.

Chris

[Jim]

Including unsigned interstates but not other kinds of routes is to me an oddity we inherited when we rose from CHM's ashes.  There are a number of places you might find discussion, here's one old thread:

http://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=266.msg1219#msg1219

[jayhawkco]

Including unsigned interstates but not other kinds of routes is to me an oddity we inherited when we rose from CHM's ashes.  There are a number of places you might find discussion, here's one old thread:

http://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=266.msg1219#msg1219

Gotcha.  Thanks for the info.  In which case then, disregard these two little guys.

Chris

[the_spui_ninja]

Gotcha.  Thanks for the info.  In which case then, disregard these two little guys.

Neato.

The CO110 point on US550 should be relabeled.

I'll get to that as soon as I can.

[the_spui_ninja]

https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/3769