eurtr: Europe select Tourist and Scenic Routes

[mapcat]

Where did they go? We had some for England and Scotland, and they seem to have disappeared.

[Jim]

There's an error in the system from a recent change, and while traveling, I have only had the chance to run quick site updates and haven't investigated.  Once that error is fixed, the system will return.

[si404]

I've fixed the issue

[mapcat]

Thanks!

[si404]

Posting a few sources (almost all the others are ones I've spotted in the field, or someone else has, and then I've followed the routes on GMSV to see if they are signed).

England

• http://www.ciderroute.co.uk/site/index.html - Herefordshire Cider Route
• http://kentpoi.co.uk/wh/pdf/Country_Tours_UK.pdf - Kentish Country Tours
• http://www.visitthemalverns.org/teme_valley_tour1 - Teme Valley Tour
• http://www.lowfurnesspeninsula.co.uk/ - Low Furness Coastal Route

Northern Ireland

• http://www.causewaycoastalroute.com/ - Causeway Coastal Route (and scenic routes off it)
• https://www.ringofgullion.org/wp-content/uploads/2015/02/Destination-Mourne-Visitor-Map-2013.pdf - Mourne Coastal Route (and scenic loops off it) and St Patricks Trail (NB MCR and SPT are longer than what's on the map as the map just looks at one area)
• http://www.discovertyroneandsperrins.com/attraction/sperrins-scenic-driving-routes/ - Sperrins routes

Scotland

• https://www.visitscotland.com/see-do/tours/driving-road-trips/ - National Tourist Routes
• http://www.visiteastlothian.org/car-touring-trails.asp - East Lothian Trails

Wales

• http://www.flintshire.gov.uk/en/LeisureAndTourism/Tourism/Flintshire-Leisure-Tour.aspx - Flintshire Leisure Tour

Crown Dependencies

• http://www.iomtt.com/TT-Database/Courses.aspx - TT Circuit

[michih]

I've renamed the thread because the system was renamed (and it's currently commented due to some errors).

So, what's the condition for routes?

[si404]

Signed, preferably in brown (though special symbols like the Wild Atlantic Way's \/\/\/\/ (WAW) waves would count), seems reasonable.

I'm likely going to purge the one-way tours (eg Kent and Sperrins), little forest drives along tracks, and connect-the-dots circles (eg Black-and-White tour, which links villages with black-and-white houses). But at the moment, I'm leaving them in until I've made sure they are well documented elsewhere.

I'll leave it to you whether the lower Saxony Asparagus route is a valid entrant - it's a circular connect-the-dots style theme route, but it's also one of those Ferienstraße  that have some official status like Scotland's National Tourist Routes, or Norway's, etc.

[michih]

I don't wanna add anything from German-speaking countries just because GSV is not published. I have no evidence that they are signed and I really don't know the correct routing. I tried to find info about exact routing of Austria "Erlebnisstraßen" 2 years ago but couldn't find reliable data... Most German routes (there are a lot!) are concurrent with routes which are already in HB.

I'd still love to add Alps passes or Felbertauern Straße but they are not signed in brown or anything similar.

The poll recently got another vote and adding eurap+eursor is no.1 now. I really don't know.....

[panda80]

The scenic routes seem to have again disappeared. A good place to start if you want to map the routes for DACH can be https://www.ferienstrassen.info. Even if for Germany a big chunk of the routes are already mappable (B or St/L roads) there are still some stretches over some kreis roads, which are not going to be in the system anytime soon.

[Jim]

Some errors were introduced into that system and I didn't have time last night to track them down and fix them, so I temporarily removed that system from to be able to get a site update to run to completion.  They'll be back on the next site update after fixes are made.

[yakra]

Start and Finish aren't proper endpoint labels. Words of 5+ letters get truncated to 3 letters, but beyond that, WEnd & EEnd would probably be preferred per the manual.

Weird case here -- why the begin/end where there's no actual road junction?

Edit: Full region name for non-North American regions

[michih]

It seems to work but I fully agree that it's not according to "our (inofficial) rules" and I don't like it (the latter doesn't mean that it's forbidden).

btw: eurtr is a preview system. Should be merged with http://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=367

[si404]

Weird case here -- why the begin/end where there's no actual road junction?

Because there's big grandstand, markings and all that there making clear that its the start/end of a lap - having the route begin/end anywhere else would be silly.

Yes the non-standard labels are not ideal, but 'WEnd' and 'EEnd' for two points in the same place on a one-way circular route seems dumb, especially as one direction is explicitly a beginning.

[yakra]

Because there's big grandstand, markings and all that there making clear that its the start/end of a lap - having the route begin/end anywhere else would be silly.

Figured it was something about like that. Here's one in my backyard.

Yes the non-standard labels are not ideal, but 'WEnd' and 'EEnd' for two points in the same place on a one-way circular route seems dumb, especially as one direction is explicitly a beginning.

Foo_W & Foo_E, or Foo_S & Foo_N, follow in the tradition of naming duplicate endpoints on circular routes... case study: TX TXLp8. Picture the route as a loop of string, that you unroll & straighten out, keeping the opposite point on the loop in place. Voici your S & N, or W & E ends. From there, I just went to the manual's guidance on non-intersection endpoints: search "In the rarer case of this situation applying to both ends of a highway"...

[si404]

I've gone with Gra_W and Gra_E (Gra for Grandstand)