PA/NJ: I-295 Scudder Falls Bridge

[Markkos1992]

yakra, with the new Scudder Falls Bridge now being open in both directions (https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=2146.msg2651572#msg2651572), do we need to update the border point or do you see it as good as-is? 

We may need to wait for better imagery or an OSM update.  I cannot tell at the moment how accurate everything is mapped there. 

[yakra]

The new bridge is north of the old one, yes?
If so, existing mapping/imagery looks good, and I'd use these coords.

[Markkos1992]

The new bridge is north of the old one, yes?
If so, existing mapping/imagery looks good, and I'd use these coords.

I agree then that the mapping is fine.  It took me awhile to clarify the upstream alignment.  (see page 8 of this document) 

Anyway I should have the PA side done later this afternoon.  Thankfully, the only other point (10) that I need to relocate is not affected by a graph connection (unlike on the NJ end).

[Markkos1992]

PA Side: https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/5055

[yakra]

We may need to wait for better imagery or an OSM update.  I cannot tell at the moment how accurate everything is mapped there. 

Oh man, did I speak too soon re the coords?
Despite OSM showing two carriageways, it looks like they just correspond to both directions of traffic as temporarily routed on the PA-bound span before the NJ-bound span opened.
An OSM update may eventually yield a point farther south.
Call it good as-is until then?

Re an updates entry, I'm not sure how necessary it is for a bridge in substantially the same location (thinking, the new/future NB one here), though it's possible some may choose to de-clinch a new bridge, even if it's at the same location (and height?).
Not saying to ditch it, but if keeping it, the purpose of an updates entry is to help users identify what lines of their .list files to change. What's the south end of the realignment, Exit 10, or some other point?

[Markkos1992]

I have decided to close my pull request, and I have also decided to forego the updates entry especially with the bridge being relocated further south.

I drove the new bridge yesterday, and both carriageways are open.  Both interchanges at Taylorsville Rd (Exit 10 in PA) and NJ 29 (Exit 75 in NJ) are mostly open.  Only the NJ 29 SB bypass lane and the NJ 175 ramp to I-295 SB ramp is still closed.

I'm sure we will both be keeping a close eye on this.  I expect a change in OSM sooner rather than later (unlike the I-85 in SC fun with SC 18).

(Note that I did clinch NJ 29 yesterday.  Any label errors that I fine will be posted here for when this is done.)

EDIT:  All I found for NJ 29 that I have thoughts about are the following:

1.   I am not completely convinced that I agree with the location of NJ175_N.
2.   Should SulWay be CR579?

[dave1693]

EDIT:  All I found for NJ 29 that I have thoughts about are the following:

1.   I am not completely convinced that I agree with the location of NJ175_N.
2.   Should SulWay be CR579?

I don't expect to have any input re: #1 until next month when I've had the chance to drive NJ 175.
As for #2, yes, I think SulWay should be CR579. It's about as clearly marked as things get in Trenton.

[yakra]

2. SulWay -> CR579, agreed. Before I make the change...
1. Mark, are you just talking about subtle point-positioning, and here would be better per this rule?

[Markkos1992]

1. Mark, are you just talking about subtle point-positioning, and here would be better per this rule?

Yes, that looks better.  I purposely put these thoughts in this thread under the presumption that they would be addressed whenever we were clear on how to do the Scudder Falls Bridge itself.

Edits done by yakra here:  https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/5082

[Markkos1992]

It looks like the HERE Hybrid Day Maps are showing both bridges now.

yakra, does this location for the border make sense to you?

[yakra]

If you want to move the point coords in the NJ file as well (either to your proposal or even to this point that puts it more precisely on the state line) that's fine by me.

[Markkos1992]

Thank you.  Updated locally.

I am planning to pull everything in later this afternoon once I can do Datacheck on my personal laptop.

[yakra]

once I can do Datacheck on my personal laptop.

Do you run datacheck locally, rather than ssh into noreaster?
If so, what OS do you run?

[Markkos1992]

once I can do Datacheck on my personal laptop.

Do you run datacheck locally, rather than ssh into noreaster?
If so, what OS do you run?

I run it in noreaster on Windows 10.  The main thing is that I would get in huge trouble if I downloaded any unnecessary software onto my work laptop.

[Markkos1992]

Done in https://github.com/TravelMapping/HighwayData/pull/5290