NJ/NY: Point Concerns since 8/5-8/7/2022 Trip

[Markkos1992]

NY 34:  Consider replacing the shaping points north of CheSt with visible points.

NY 282:  WRivRd should be moved here and should be renamed RivRd_E or ERivRd.  (Note that there are references to PA 187 at this intersection.)

NY 328:  Is the shaping point south of CR69 necessary?

NY 427: 
1.  MapAve>-MapAve_W
2.  WilRd should be WilRd_E (and slightly relocated).

[yakra]

NY31: EDeadCreRd & WDeadCreRd point labels

[Markkos1992]

NJ 45: 
1. SweRd should be marked as closed, removed, or replaced with another point nearby.
2.  Should there be a CR553A point?
3.  ParRd>-ParStaRd
4.  CR551>-CR551_S  I think CR551_N may be at Park Ave...

NJ 49: 
1.  RoaRd should maybe be RoaShiRd. 
2.  The CR555 points are missing though that may be purposeful.
3.  CR548 should be slightly relocated.

US 9: 
1.  CR623>-RooBlvd_W?
2.  WMillRd>-MillRd
3.  WWasAve>-WasAve
4.  WDelRd>-DelRd
5.  Should a point be added at CR 561 BYP?
6.  CheNeckRd_N>-OldNYRd

[Markkos1992]

From 3/17-3/18 Long Island Meet Trip:

I-295 (NY):  Should 7 and 8 be separate points?

US 1 (NY):  ForRd>-ForRd_W

US 9W (NY): 
1.  HigAve_S may be just HigAve
2.  WestAve>-WesAve

US 9W (NJ):  The PIP line does not go west of the US 9W line for quite a while.

US 202 (NJ):  I am seeing just HamTpk instead of PatHamTpk.

NY 24 (Hempstead):  ElmAve>-ElmRd

NY 25:  I could use points at Broadway-Greenlawn and CR 4 (Commack Rd) in regard to turns at the meet itself.  The first was a loop to check on the status of CR 86.  The second was to access NY 454.

NY 110:  The shaping point north of NY 25 could probably be replaced with a visible point.

NY 454:  WinPl>-ConAve

NJ 23:  BroSt>-BroRd

NJ 63: 
1.  EdgRd>-EdgAve
2.  CR501>-CR501_N

NJ 67:  I think a point or two is missing around I-95.

NJ 93:  CR501>-CR501_S

Grand Central Pkwy:  14>-15

[Markkos1992]

From 5/12/2023 Trip:

NY 76: 
1.  It looks like NY 474 should be slightly relocated.
2.  NobRd should be marked as closed or hidden. 

[rickmastfan67]

Grand Central Pkwy:  14>-15

That one could be debatable.

It's 14 going EB.
https://goo.gl/maps/3xGun5Vec56U4KZG8

[vdeane]

Grand Central Pkwy:  14>-15

That one could be debatable.

It's 14 going EB.
https://goo.gl/maps/3xGun5Vec56U4KZG8

The Jackie Robinson Parkway is 14, but EB Union Turnpike (15 WB) is combined with that ramp.  I feel like it's similar to I-490 at NY 33 and NY 531 (NY 531 is 8 WB but combined with 7B EB).

[rickmastfan67]

Grand Central Pkwy:  14>-15

That one could be debatable.

It's 14 going EB.
https://goo.gl/maps/3xGun5Vec56U4KZG8

The Jackie Robinson Parkway is 14, but EB Union Turnpike (15 WB) is combined with that ramp.  I feel like it's similar to I-490 at NY 33 and NY 531 (NY 531 is 8 WB but combined with 7B EB).

Seems historically, Union was 14 going EB. https://goo.gl/maps/QaWv4uzVZyCSbed99

Jackie Robinson was 13W going EB before the reconfiguration. https://goo.gl/maps/FtrM16Sw7uWF3jce7  And was posted as such up till Oct '21.  Heck, it was 13W going WB too before taking over 14 going WB.

But now both are clearly part of Exit 14 going EB. https://goo.gl/maps/d6kMhEXMZ3eA5mo39  Notice the lack of any split exit numbers where the split actually happens.

But it is interesting to say that Union was '15' going WB before all this exit number changing due to the interchange rebuild, and that there was no Exit #14 going WB.

Still, I'd say this is a no-build change here, due to Central keeping it's '14' exit number going EB.

[Markkos1992]

From Buffalo Meet Trip:

I-390: 
1.  Consider adjusting the line between 2 and 3 to keep it south of the NY 415 line.
2.  18A>-18 (not sure why it needs to be 18A)

US 62: 
1.  Consider replacing the shaping point north of NY 438 with a visible point.  (also affects NY 39)
2.  Consider replacing the shaping point north of NY249 with a visible point.
2.  TiffSt>-TifSt
2.  SParkAve>-SouParkAve_N

NY 5: 

1.  Has there ever been a discussion on making a NY 5 (Buffalo) file for the westbound routing in Downtown Buffalo?
2.  The NY 63 labels should be N and S instead of W and E.

NY 33: 
1.  I would think that GooSt should be OakSt or ElmSt.
2.  Should there be a graph connection at US 62?
3.  NY63_E>-NY63_S
4.  WestAve>-WestAve_W

NY 198:  Should the LinPkwy point be here?

NY 384:  The shaping point north of I-290 should be replaced with a visible point.

[vdeane]

1.  Has there ever been a discussion on making a NY 5 (Buffalo) file for the westbound routing in Downtown Buffalo?

Is there a reason why one should need to clinch both directions in order to clinch NY 5 when this isn't true for any other route?

[Markkos1992]

1.  Has there ever been a discussion on making a NY 5 (Buffalo) file for the westbound routing in Downtown Buffalo?

Is there a reason why one should need to clinch both directions in order to clinch NY 5 when this isn't true for any other route?

Not necessarily, this is just one of those odd instances where both directions are tough to account for without making the map look weird.  (Think US 202 in Holyoke, MA)  I also would prefer to leave the main NY 5 file as-is to not mess with graph connections.

Personally, it was better that I clinched both directions in this instance.

[Markkos1992]

NY 282:  WRivRd should be moved here and should be renamed RivRd_E or ERivRd.  (Note that there are references to PA 187 at this intersection.)

Done via this thread.  (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=5856.0)

NY 890:  Should this route be flipped (and converted to exit numbers minus NY5)?

Done via this thread.  (https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=5804.0)

With the NY 79 realignment, I am considering another NY trip Saturday, but we will see if I do that or not.

[Markkos1992]

From yesterday's trip (yes focused on clinching NY 79):

US 11:  Should I-81(8 ) be I-81(8A)?

NY 13:  I would not mind a point at CR 54 (Oneida St).  It was a turn on the 2020 Utica Meet.

NY 14:  WooAve>-WooAve_W

NY 17: 
1.  I honestly think that 72 and 72B should be possibly switched.  I am sure that would break list files though.
2.  I am seeing 4B for I-81 at I-86 WB/NY 17 WB and 4A at NY 7.  (any changes here would affect other labels)

NY 79: (east to west)
1.  SqiHillRd>-SquHillRd
2.  See https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=5857.msg33026#msg33026
3.  Consider adding a point around Aurora St to better define the one-way section in Ithaca.

NY 89:  NY96>-NY96_N

NY 96:
1.  NY89>-NY89_N
2.  Consider replacing the shaping point west of NY89 with a visible point at ParkRd.
3.  I am requesting a point at Vinegar Hill Rd (VinHillRd) as this is where I turned around from NY 79 to head downtown and ultimately clinch NY 13A. (can replace nearby shaping point, looks like the point north of there could be made visible as well)

NY 414:  I am requesting a point at CR 16 (direct access to Watkins Glen International).  I turned here to do the Drive the Glen Saturday.

NY 419:  Should this route be flipped?

[cockroachking]

Regarding I-81, current 4 is definitely 4A, and current 4A is definitely 4B, though I don't see a way to get the correct labels in place without breaking .list files. Since I-86Bin and NY17Bin only use I-81's number, their 4(81) points could be properly changed to 4A(81) without any adverse effects.

Regarding the Exit 72 and friends situation with NY17Bin and I-86FutBin, current 72B should be 72 and current 72 should be 72B, though again I don't see a way to implement the correct labels without issue.

Regarding NY419, it is signed east-west, but the reference marker order in NYSDOT GIS support the orientation in the HB, so I guess it could go either way.

Also, NY17Bin (& I-86FutBin) and NY17C are just barely missing a graph connection at Exit 69.

Some additional fixes for routes mentioned:

NY13:
MilHillRd > CR134
WarRd > CR121
Route out of tolerance between WarRd and NY366_W

NY79:
BlaOakRd > CR136
SheRd > CR172
BesRd > CR175

NY96:
KruCorRd > CR141
NewDepRd > CR130 (also affects NY34)
MapAve > CR188 (also affects NY34)
MicHolRd > CR1 (also affects NY34)

[rickmastfan67]

yakra, might want to finally deal with this thread before it balloons even more. LOL!