NC: US-70 issues

[rickmastfan67]

Some suggestions, some issues I've noticed on the route file.

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US321Bus
NC16Bus -> remove == reason?  No intersection, just an overpass.  Point needs to be removed from NC-16 Bus's file as well (see [1] below).
NEW -> 1stSt == straight line connection to I-40 Exit 130.
NC16
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OxfSt
NEW -> WikeRd == direct connection up to I-40 Exit 138.
NC10
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I-77
+x50 -> SalHwy == The current hidden point is so close to this road, there's a traffic light there, and it would break up a ~8 mile gap between usable points.
SR1793
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US601 -> US601_N == end of a multiplex
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NC150_E -> location needs to be corrected.  A little bit too far north of the intersection.  Must have been acquired before OSM was correctly updated.  Would need to be fixed in US-29 & NC-150's file as well.
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NC109 -> Location needs corrected, as now an interchange in a new location just to the East of the old intersection. NC I-85 BL (Lexington, NC), US-29, & NC-109 would need the same adjustment.
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US29/220
NEW -> HufMillRd -- missing interchange
I-840 -> I-785/840 -- Even though only I-785 is currently posted, might as well future proof the label for when the Loop is completed.
+x60
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NC61
NEW -> UniDr -- direct connection down to I-40/I-85 Exit 140.
NC54/62
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I-85(170)
maybe? -> +X*** shaping point here to move it farther from the parallel US-70 Business route?  Would also have to be added to I-85's file.
I-85(172)
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US70BusSmi_E
NEW -> DavMillRd -- Newly constructed interchange
HowRd
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PinGroRd
NEW -> SloRd -- New interchange being constructed here, so might as well add it now and save time in the future.
NC101_E
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[1] - For NC16 Bus Conover, recommend replacing US70 with a point @ either 7th Street (connection to US-70/US-321 Business), and/or @ 1st Street (connection to US-70 & I-40 Exit 130).

[rickmastfan67]

nc.us070busdur:
On a side note, while just randomly looking @ US-70 Business (Durham), it could use a few points with some roads that directly connect to either I-85 or NC-147 interchanges.

Cole Mill Rd (direct connection to I-85 Exit 173)
Hillandale Road (the slip road, as that road connects to both I-85 & NC-147); maybe remove 'LawAve' to add this one in it's place?  But then again, 'LawAve' is currently in use.


US15Bus/501Bus -> US15/501Bus +US15Bus/501Bus
On a side note about this point, it doesn't have a graph connection to those routes (it does for NC-98).  Seems US15Bus/501Bus both have separate 'US70Bus_*' points for it.  Maybe re-combine them in both US-15BusDur & US-501BusDur to restore the graph connection with US-70Bus & NC-98?

NC98 -> NC98_E (end of the multiplex)

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nc.nc098:
US15Bus/501Bus -> US15/501Bus +US15Bus/501Bus

[Markkos1992]

I am fine with making LawAve an alternate label for Hillandale Rd (HilRd).

Only tarheel61581 is currently using this point (file states US70_W LawAve) and would lose maybe a tenth of a mile at most.

[mapmikey]

All info above evaluated and changes are in the queue.

I have gotten contradictory suggestions on the format for 2 Business routes

x/yBus vs. xBus/yBus

[Markkos1992]

All info above evaluated and changes are in the queue.

I have gotten contradictory suggestions on the format for 2 Business routes

x/yBus vs. xBus/yBus

Part of that seems to be my fault.  I would prefer both Business designations if both are business routes.   

I think doing US25Bus/178Bus (see SC 10) is viable for the case that a business route actually is concurrent with a bannerless route (see US 52 at US 221/US 58 BUS in Hillsville, VA, with the label US221/58Bus).

[rickmastfan67]

I've honestly been told from the start that we can't have double banners in the file labels.    Hence, whenever I've had this issue, I've done 'US25/23Bus' type labels, even if both are Business routes.

[Markkos1992]

Well, just noting this as apparently there will be a relocation of US 70 in the Greensboro area that we will need to keep an eye on.

https://www.aaroads.com/forum/index.php?topic=25766.msg2448641#msg2448641

[yakra]

The closest the manual gets to addressing putting two bannered highways in a waypoint label is:

If one of the two highways is already long as a label (e.g., a bannered route like US42BusKin), consider skipping the city abbrev. or even skipping the whole second route.

It'd seem that including Route+Banner for each route (when do we ever drop banners?) would be the right way to go; thus "xBus/yBus".

That said, I have a personal distaste for this, and go the "skip the whole second route" route.

[Markkos1992]

Partly bumping this, but TWAleBlvd should be TWAleDr.

EDIT:  I fixed the SC 10 link above.  I still prefer using xBus/yBus in this situation.  US 15 BUS and US 501 BUS IMO are equally significant.

[Markkos1992]

The TWAleBlvd change to TWAleDr on US 70 was done.

I'll defer to mapmikey, but I think we are all on a potential agree-to-disagree mode with US15Bus/501Bus.  However, I believe that this thread defaults us to US15/501Bus on both NC 98 and US 70 BUS (Durham) here.

Otherwise, do we want to hold this thread until US 70 is relocated onto Wendover Ave around Greensboro or handle that via the AASHTO Fall 2019 Thread?

[rickmastfan67]

Otherwise, do we want to hold this thread until US 70 is relocated onto Wendover Ave around Greensboro or handle that via the AASHTO Fall 2019 Thread?

I would say that should be a different thread from this one, as we don't know when NCDOT will do the resigning.  I mean, look how long it took them to sign the US-311 extension beyond US-220 (the one before the extension into VA).

[Markkos1992]

I mean, look how long it took them to sign the US-311 extension beyond US-220 (the one before the extension into VA).

True.  I am still uncertain if the US 311 signs have been fully removed southeast of Winston-Salem.  They have definitely been removed from US 421, US 52/NC 8, and I-40 based on my November 13, 2020, drive in NC(clarified on Bob Malme's site).

[rickmastfan67]

I-840 -> I-785/840 -- Even though only I-785 is currently posted, might as well future proof the label for when the Loop is completed.

I just double checked my suggestions, and this was the only one not dealt with.

Once it has been, I think we can then mark this topic as solved, and start a new one (or deal with it in the AASHTO '19 Fall thread) when the reroute of US-70 onto Wendover Ave happens.

[mapmikey]

changed to 785/840