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Indonesia notes
« on: June 15, 2024, 02:32:05 pm »
If someone wants to have a go, here's some info:

https://sigpjj.binamarga.pu.go.id/v1/iyo/page/view/?id=3&title=Kelas+Jalan+ASEAN+Highway is finally loading again, and shows the exact routes of the Asian Highways.

For the National Highways, go to https://sigpjj.binamarga.pu.go.id/v1/iyo/page/view/ and select "Jaringan Jalan" and "Kondisi Jalan Nasional" on the left. Unfortunately they are unlabeled. You can click "Nomor Ruas dan Label" and "Nomor Ruas Status" to get some sort of section numbers.


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Re: Indonesia notes
« Reply #2 on: January 29, 2025, 03:57:52 pm »
Of course, now that I'm ready, the links are dead. I did find https://gisportal.binamarga.pu.go.id/portal/apps/mapviewer/index.html with the RN_NAT_PG and Kemantapan IRI 1 2024 layers, but there seems to be nothing with the section numbers.
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Re: Indonesia notes
« Reply #3 on: January 29, 2025, 07:54:57 pm »
So this is what you have to do to follow Jalan Tol 1 westbound. Ew.

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Re: Indonesia notes
« Reply #4 on: January 31, 2025, 12:57:02 pm »
Of course, now that I'm ready, the links are dead.

Have you checked https://web.archive.org/ ?

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Re: Indonesia notes
« Reply #5 on: January 31, 2025, 12:58:08 pm »
There are two broken concurrencies in IDN between T and AH routes, see https://courses.teresco.org/metal/hdx/?load=idn.nmp

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Re: Indonesia notes
« Reply #6 on: January 31, 2025, 05:00:55 pm »
Of course, now that I'm ready, the links are dead.

Have you checked https://web.archive.org/ ?
It's an interactive map...I don't think archive.org would work. (I did download the PDFs earlier; no idea if they still work.)

Anyway, more overlaps may break in the near future, but I'll fix them.
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Re: Indonesia notes
« Reply #7 on: February 12, 2025, 09:53:54 pm »
Update and rework of the island of Jawa is up for update tonight.
@si404 what is your source for the designations T6B, T6T, and T8B? I'm assuming B=barat (west) and T=timur (east), but I'm not seeing these anywhere on signage. Also, do you have sources for T10, T12, and T19? They're not on the 2019 log or https://id.wikipedia.org/wiki/Daftar_jalan_tol_di_Indonesia (I admit I didn't pay attention to route signage when checking the exit numbers).

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Re: Indonesia notes
« Reply #8 on: February 13, 2025, 07:03:58 am »
@si404 what is your source for the designations T6B, T6T, and T8B? I'm assuming B=barat (west) and T=timur (east), but I'm not seeing these anywhere on signage. Also, do you have sources for T10, T12, and T19?
They are/were all marked as the designation we have on OSM.

It looks like the B and T aren't signed and those routes are just 6 or 8 6B/T split (also, how dumb was it to use the same colour at the top of the hexagons and only small writing to distinguish between the Jalan Tol and the Jalan Nasional?)

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Re: Indonesia notes
« Reply #9 on: February 13, 2025, 01:17:30 pm »
Soreang-Pasirkoja (T10) has a couple signs calling it a spur of T4, added in 2019-2021. This does match OSM.

Depok-Antasari (T12) does not seem to have any signs giving it any number. I see where OSM labels it, but without another source, and especially given that it wouldn't fit the numbering if T10 doesn't exist, I'm changing it to JTDA. Similarly, I can't find any T19 signs on Bekasi-Cawang-Kp. Melayu (Becakayu on signs, hence JTB). If sources are found, it'll be easy enough to change back.

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Re: Indonesia notes
« Reply #10 on: February 13, 2025, 01:19:24 pm »
Soreang-Pasirkoja (T10) has a couple signs calling it a spur of T4, added in 2019-2021. This does match OSM.

Depok-Antasari (T12) does not seem to have any signs giving it any number. I see where OSM labels it, but without another source, and especially given that it wouldn't fit the numbering if T10 doesn't exist, I'm changing it to JTDA. Similarly, I can't find any T19 signs on Bekasi-Cawang-Kp. Melayu (Becakayu on signs, hence JTB). If sources are found, it'll be easy enough to change back.
That sounds very sensible.

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Re: Indonesia notes
« Reply #11 on: February 27, 2025, 11:23:53 pm »
Indonesia's Asian/ASEAN highways are complete: https://travelmapping.net/user/mapview.php?sys=idnah (I also extended AH150 in Malaysia to complete the loop, as shown in the 2010 PDF)
Sumatera's national routes are in progress, and will complete Indonesia (unless it's worth doing select unnumbered highways on the other islands).

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Re: Indonesia notes
« Reply #12 on: February 28, 2025, 04:36:54 am »
Do the Asian highways not use the Jalan Tol? I'm fairly sure that the Trans-Java Toll Road is being built as part of AH2 (and Trans-Sumatra as AH25, etc, etc)

It looks like your routing sources have the JT network of a decade ago, and so those routes take parallel national highways. It doesn't help that these international highways are lists of cities without telling you what way they go between them meaning status quo wins unless signed well (which these aren't - unlike, say, the rerouting of E70 in France away from the unlisted city of St Ettiene and onto the A89 and round the north of Lyon, rather than the south, when the A466 opened).

This lack of update is common with such things - even with stuff like TEN-T in Europe, where corridors are still drawn on their map along national roads despite motorways built with TEN-T money as part of those corridors having opened a considerable time ago and them redoing the lines overlaid on the map about 2 years ago!


I believe the Trans-Kalimantan (already in-browser as AH150), Trans-Suluwesi, Trans-Timor (oddly not anything on other Nusa Tenggara islands, save Bali) and Trans-Papua are Indonesian National Highways without number.

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Re: Indonesia notes
« Reply #13 on: February 28, 2025, 04:41:24 am »
There are a number of signs for AH2 on surface roads in Jawa (some linked in the readme). I found none on the toll roads. I was going to keep it on the toll roads until I realized the surface alignment actually has signs.

As for the national highways, I have good sources for what is maintained, and there are a lot of short spurs in addition to the main routes. There's a pretty good correlation between trunks (reddish) on OSM and national highways. I don't know if there's a good cutoff; certainly some other routes in Kalimantan would qualify. Maybe even some on Jawa (such as former N19 at the northwest end of the island).
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Re: Indonesia notes
« Reply #14 on: March 19, 2025, 09:56:01 pm »
All numbered highways should be mapped now. I haven't decided yet if I'm going to do selected unnumbered highways like the Trans-Sulawesi.