usaal: Alabama State Routes

[Markkos1992]

It looks like we have the usasf problem for AL 158. Since AL 158 should probably not be in usasf now, I propose it being removed so that AL 158 (and its new extension) show up in usaal.

[Jim]

The system has been in preview for almost 6 years.  I'd think if there were major problems that need to be addressed before activation we'd have found them by now.  It's not like this is some obscure system where no users have travels and there are limited resources to figure out routes. 

If I don't hear major objections with good reasons we should wait, I plan to go ahead and activate it this weekend.

[formulanone]

Froggie has done a wonderful job and most of my finds are minor nitpicks, to be honest. I think the only route completely missing is AL 15 in Andalusia, which I found around December 2022.

(Oh, and 304 from US 31 to Limestone CR 24 which has more signage now.)

No objections, but I apologize for delays in peer review. I've bitten off more than I can chew.

[mapcat]

What's left? I might be able to check remaining routes next week.

[froggie]

The system has been in preview for almost 6 years.  I'd think if there were major problems that need to be addressed before activation we'd have found them by now.  It's not like this is some obscure system where no users have travels and there are limited resources to figure out routes. 

If I don't hear major objections with good reasons we should wait, I plan to go ahead and activate it this weekend.

Give me a chance to go through what's been provided so far with peer review, at least.  Not all the routes have been reviewed.  If mapcat has time, he can continue on along the list from where formulaone left off (upthread).

[rickmastfan67]

AL-69: missing intersection needed for CR-222 that connects to I-65 Exit 305.  That exit also needs to be added to I-65.
https://forum.travelmapping.net/index.php?topic=5799.0

[Jim]

Sure - let's see if some of the key things can be addressed so we can get this active.

I don't want it to be seen as a criticism of anyone involved.  We all have different amounts of time that can be devoted to the project and that time isn't always spread out evenly.

[mapcat]

AL 113-125 review

AL 113, 115, 116, 117, 120, 122, 124, 125 all fine

AL 114
MagSt -> CR11 (since the set seems to default to CR's when they're marked)

AL 118
Extend to MS via US 278 (it is signed, though not everywhere)
Exit53Con -> ?? There doesn't seem to be a name for that road; would I-22(53) be allowed/more intuitive since the point is at a junction with a short road connecting to the exit?
GamRd -> GamRd_S

AL 119
KentDaiRd -> CR26_W
CR44Al -> 2ndPl (no CR shown in GMSV)
CR68Al -> CR68
CahValTra -> CR14
ZieRd -> ZeiRd

AL 123
Point at AL 167 is too far south
CR14 -> KingSt (or move to CR31 one block west if a CR label is more desirable)
CR36 -> RoyParRd

[mapcat]

AL 126-150 review

AL 128, 130, 131, 136, 138, 140, 141, 142, 144, 145, 146, 150 all fine

AL 126
PikeRd -> CR64/85
WarFerRd -> CR64
a shaping point on I-85 near the above two points would keep the lines from overlapping there

AL 127
UppFortHamRd -> MorRd (or UppFHRd)

AL 129
CR49 -> CR49_S
CR99 -> ForRd
OldDelRd -> SamLetRd or 6thAve to agree with signs

There's a connector between AL 129 and AL 241 signed as AL 129. May or may not be worth including as another route, but either way it deserves a point on both 129 and 241.

AL 132
TaiGapLp -> CR20

AL 133
US72ALT/20 -> US72Alt/20
WilDamRd -> CR40
CoxCrePkwy -> CoxCrePkwy_S
AL20 -> AL20_N

AL 134
NewGateRd -> HanFieRd
CR87 -> CR87_S
CR1 -> CR1_Hen
MainSt -> MainSt_S
AL173 -> AL173_N

AL 137
the intersection with US 29 has been realigned slightly to the south

AL 139
CR2 -> CR2_W

AL 143
AL14_E point is off center
CR262 -> ColdSprRd
CR20 -> CR20_E

AL 147
FarRd -> CR72 (and needs slight recentering)
StoRd -> CR95
CR21 -> MadRd

AL 148
The point labeled FR603 doesn't have any signage and that name isn't on any maps I could find. It's not in a particularly important spot. If something is needed between the two adjacent points, there's another unimportant (but signed) road to the east (FR675) or a more important intersection/trailhead at Bulls Gap Rd.

AL 149
Mile markers increase from northeast to southwest, but it might be worthwhile to flip it.
Lakeshore Pkwy is the name of AL 149, so instead of using LakPkwy at the end, change it to End or HomLim (since it's at the Homewood city limits)
GreSprHwy -> CR99
Consider adding a point at the entrance to Samford University

[rickmastfan67]

Exit53Con -> ?? There doesn't seem to be a name for that road; would I-22(53) be allowed/more intuitive since the point is at a junction with a short road connecting to the exit?

Supposedly it's part of AL-102, however, unsigned, since the connection to the main part of the route isn't built.

[rickmastfan67]

AL 126
PikeRd -> CR64/85
WarFerRd -> CR64
a shaping point on I-85 near the above two points would keep the lines from overlapping there

In addition for AL-126:
What's up with the 'spur' end of 'AtlHwy'?  Don't think that's necessary, as no signage there confirms that it's part of AL-126.

AL-110:
Should connect up to I-85 Exit 11 & have a short multiplex with AL-126. WB I-85 ramp EB I-85 ramp
Add a point @ Eastchase Parkway, since there's a loop there for I-85/AL-126 traffic due to the no left turns right below the I-85 interchange.

[mapcat]

In addition for AL-126:
What's up with the 'spur' end of 'AtlHwy'?  Don't think that's necessary, as no signage there confirms that it's part of AL-126.

The route drafted matches the route defined by ALDOT. I have no opinion on keeping or deleting the short segment.

[froggie]

AL 118
Extend to MS via US 278 (it is signed, though not everywhere)

It's signed along the concurrency west of Guin?

[mapcat]

At the state line

In Sulligent

In Beaverton

I mean, these weren't hard to find...

[mapcat]

AL 151-175 review

AL 151, 152 (in usansf), 156, 159, 161, 162, 164, 166, 168, 169, 173, 175 all fine

AL 153
CR 10 -> CR10_W

AL 154
BruRd unsigned, could be turned into shaping point
ReeBraRd -> ReeHillRd
CR44 -> TalSprRd_W

AL 155
CR91 -> CR 46

AL 157
WilDamRd -> CR40
US72ALT_W & _E -> US72Alt_W & _E
CR41 -> DanRd
CR35 -> EveRd
EvaRd -> CR1435

AL 158 (in usansf)
WilRd -> JonRd
WilGeoRd -> CR63
ColPkwy -> CR55

AL 160
CR37 -> CR11/37

AL 163
CedPoiRd -> DauIslPkwy_S
+x01 -> CedPoiRd (this suburban segment is very long)


AL 165
CR43 -> SawRd
101stAirDivRd -> 101stAirRd

AL 167
AL 123 point is too far south
DauSt -> DauStExt (Dauphin St intersects 167 at another location)
split CR114/239 into separate points or choose one
Recenter AL87_S

AL 170
CR213 -> WilRd

AL 171
RoseBlvdCon -> ShaRd
CR23 -> MtOliRd
CR12 -> CR12_E
BypRd -> ? It's unsigned, and has no addresses. Fayette County GIS calls it "US 43 Bypass" while Marion County GIS calls it "Winfield Bypass". CR54 is practically across the street, so that could be used instead of this dead-end road ("Bypass" appears to be wishful thinking).
CR35_Ham -> CR35_Mar (it's in Marion County, not Hamilton County)

AL 172
CR31 -> HinRd
CR45 -> TesRd

AL174
CR16 -> BlaFarmRd



Also, there are truck routes for AL 28 and AL 41 around Camden in case they weren't mentioned upthread.